Wednesday, March 1, 2023

Talking about Science: 2 Poincaré and The Search for Truth

 Many great scientists and philosophers have explicated the ideals of Science in many volumes. They discussed at length what the highest goals of Science are, and what Science needs for achieving these mighty goals.

Henri Poincaré, the great savant, began his essay “The Value of Science” 

with these remarkable words:

“The search for truth should be the goal of our activities; it is the sole end worthy of them.”

The Search for Truth is what Science is about, or what it should be about. But more than that: the search for truth is the only worthy goal of life. Therefore, it is not “salvation”, not “enlightenment”, and it is certainly not just “happiness”, as described in some philosophies and religions that is the most worthy goal of life; it is Truth. Moreover the truth that Science is searching for is not some “personal truth”. Scientific Truth has a value only when it is shared. Only by sharing can we attain some kind of objectivity and be of service to others.

Science Should Be About Helping Humanity

But, what about alleviating human suffering? - Poincaré’s answer is immediate:

Doubtless we should first bend our efforts to assuage human suffering, but why? Not to suffer is a negative ideal more surely attained by the annihilation of the world.

To which he adds:

If we wish more and more to free man from material cares, it is that he may be able to employ the liberty obtained in the study and contemplation of truth.

This sounds almost biblical: “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32). 



Certainly, Poincaré is not inventing something new here. He is reminding us of a very old but often forgotten fundamental principle. And indeed, it is all too easy to forget it – and Poincaré realizes this difficulty as well:

But sometimes truth frightens us. And in fact we know that it is sometimes deceptive, that it is a phantom never showing itself for a moment except to ceaselessly flee, that it must be pursued further and ever further without ever being attained.

Moreover:

We also know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether illusion is not more consoling, yea, even more bracing, for illusion it is which gives confidence. When it shall have vanished, will hope remain and shall we have the courage to achieve? Thus would not the horse harnessed to his treadmill refuse to go, were his eyes not bandaged?

Can You Handle the Truth?

Indeed, truth can be cruel, and, sometimes, unnecessarily so. I realized this fact myself when I was once listening to a talk given by one of my mathematician friends. I had my camera with me and, when the speaker was yelling at one of his colleagues who was evidently unhappy with the subject of the talk, I took a photo. Later, I sent it to the unhappy colleague. When my friend learned about this fact, he was very upset with me. He asked me: “Why did you do it?” I answered: “Because it is true.” It took me awhile before I understood and apologized for what I did. I reasoned that while something is true – why not to reveal it? Perhaps: but in this case it was simply an unnecessary cruelty from me. For me it was “just an innocent joke.” To the individual in the photograph, it was not so innocent, and the greater truth was that the act lacked any useful purpose. Truth in Science is not a joke, it is a serious matter, and it serves a purpose. That purpose is increasing our Knowledge – about the external world and about ourselves so that we can help others, not hurt them.

Obstacles to True Science

There were, in the past, and even more so today, strong forces that prevent Science from achieving its goals. What are they? Some of them were indicated by Poincaré when he wrote:

And then to seek truth it is necessary to be independent, wholly independent.



It is not easy for a scientist to be independent and, in fact, with time, it has become more and more difficult. The time is long gone when amateurs, with independent wealth could conduct history-making experiments and develop revolutionary ideas that were opening new paths of scientific research.

Coming next: Tony Smith and “arXive.org”

P.S.1 0303-23 21:21 Concerning Science and Truth see Chris Langan most recent post Unfortunately to read it in full you would need to subscribe and pay.

"Flirting with Luddism: The Meaning and Value of Science

Science is great. Evil, insanity, and the Big $cience Oligarchy are not.
Chris Langan
1 hr ago"

Let me quote just one sentence relevant to the subject of my post:

"Science is not about truth. Direct replicated observation is about truth, but due to the problem of induction - a problem that has been understood since David Hume and arguably long before - empirical science quickly deviates from it due to uncertainty. "

P.S.2 04-03-23 15:51 Reading while having fish for the lunch. From Manjit Kumar - "Quantum Einstein, Bohr and the Great Debate About the Nature of Reality" 

"‘We cannot observe electron orbits inside the atom,’ replied Heisenberg, ‘but
the  radiation  which  an  atom  emits  during  discharges  enables  us  to  deduce  the frequencies  and  corresponding  amplitudes  of  its  electrons.’   Warming  to  his theme,  he  explained  that  ‘since  a  good  theory  must  be  based  on  directly observable  magnitudes,  I  thought  it  more  fitting  to  restrict  myself  to  these, treating them, as it were, as representatives of the electron orbits’.   ‘But you don’t seriously believe,’ Einstein protested, ‘that none but observable magnitudes must go into a physical theory?’  It was a question that struck at the very foundations on  which  Heisenberg  had  constructed  his  new  mechanics.  ‘Isn’t  that  precisely what you have done with relativity?’ he countered. A ‘good trick should not be tried twice’, smiled Einstein.   ‘Possibly I did use this kind of reasoning,’ he conceded, ‘but it is nonsense all the same.’

P.S.3 16:50

A good trick should not be tried twice:

https://twitter.com/CherylGilmer9/status/1631977278656638980

9 comments:

  1. " The time is long gone when amateurs, with independent wealth could conduct history-making experiments and develop revolutionary ideas that were opening new paths of scientific research.".

    However, I think the mind is definitely more important than experimentation. Theory is far more important than empiricism when creating innovative ideas.

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    1. Even successful "experimenting" like Laura's channeling or Coral Castle involved off the beaten path theorizing and perseverance to do the experiment. More mainstream experiments like for the fly by anomaly probably also require some off the beaten path ideas like to take into account the Zeno effect. Psi/homeopathy experiments also seem Zeno effect related a lot.

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    2. @John
      My next post will be about Tony Smith. Yet perhaps already today I will quote what he has to say about the subject. Here is the Prolog to his paper: Lost in Math ? Try Thinking Like a Physicist

      If you think that today’s dominant Physics Theory - Superstrings - is All Math and No Connection to Experimental Results (LHC etc) and if that has you feeling Lost in Math
      then I suggest you go back to Physics 101 and methodically Think Physics:

      (Note - There is Math in this outline and some of it is Advanced, but here Physics Intuition tells you what to do and the Math is just there to carry out the Physics Ideas. Also For Details about this Construction, see viXra 1602.0319)

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    3. "Lost in Math ? Try Thinking Like a Physicist".

      But can we actually be lost in the mathematics? Doesn't physics strive precisely to describe the world in mathematical terms, and therefore to find the mathematical models that best describe phenomena?

      It seems to me that a huge problem with mathematical models in physics is that they are tailored to specific physical phenomena. As a result, the mathematics is simplified in these models, and some models are constructed with a disregard for mathematical accuracy. The result is a set of models that cannot necessarily be combined.

      How does a physicist think? And how does the mathematician think? And why is it better to think like a physicist when mathematics is closer to touching the noumenas?

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    4. Math at times can be too powerful. String theory can add lots of extra math to try to get around problems instead admitting there's a fundamental flaw. David Deutsch added tons of arcane math to try to maintain causality instead of trying to investigate what losing causality may be telling him more fundamentally.

      John Baez once mentioned to Tony that Tony kind of had multiple models and Tony does have somewhat different models starting with Cl(8), Cl(16), Cl(24), and the compact and split forms of E8. I like the Cl(8) one. Concepts from your link like conformal gravity, spinor fermions, the 64-dim position/momentum and the formation of the 2nd and 3rd dimensions are in all of them but I think getting the right starting math is important (as in the Cs like geometric algebra over E8). Math is sort of a bit too powerful for Tony too.

      The 2nd/3rd generation part relates to Wyler's work and fits well I think with your twistor and does match with lots of experimental results but you do have to make sure it's not just forced by math which is less likely when there's more than just the fine structure constant calculated.

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    5. @John G

      String theory has a lot of interesting mathematics, but is it rigorous enough?

      I have recently looked at the differences that exist between how physicists do certain things and how mathematicians do them. I attend a lecture on noncommutative geometry and category theory. The participants in this lecture are theoretical physicists and theoretical mathematicians.

      The latter are repeatedly outraged by the 'tricks' that physicists use so commonly that they are no longer aware of them. And I, unfortunately, belong to the latter group as far as my views are concerned. I am wholeheartedly with the theoretical mathematicians.

      I write "unfortunately" because the methodology of physics has become a great disappointment to me.

      I do not feel that I have any other option. I started from the beginning by learning mathematics as it is done in theoretical mathematics and my next goal is to become a fully theoretical mathematician, also from a formal education. And the world started to come crashing down. However, I am not losing hope. I am starting to build a new world on the collapsed foundations.

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    6. @John G.
      "as in the Cs like geometric algebra over E8"

      In fact this is the subject of my present intensive studies:

      1) Observables, operators, and complex numbers in the Dirac theory
      David Hestenes J. Math. Phys. 16, 556 (1975); doi: 10.1063/1.522554

      2) Consistency in the formulation of the Dirac, Pauli, and Schrödinger theories
      R. Gurtler and D. Hestenes J. Math. Phys. 16, 573 (1975); doi: 10.1063/1.522555

      3) In: J.S.R. Chisholm/A.K. Commons (Eds.), Clifiord Algebras and their Applications in
      Mathematical Physics. Reidel, Dordrecht/Boston (1986), 321{346.
      CLIFFORD ALGEBRA AND THE INTERPRETATION OF QUANTUM MECHANICS David Hestenes

      4) Foundat&ns of Physics, Vol. 20, No. 10, 1990
      The Zitterhewegung Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics David Hestenes

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    7. Parallelly to this:

      Time and Extrasensory Perception By H.A.C. Dobbs, Proc. Soc. Psych. Res. 54 Part 197 August 1965 249-361

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  2. "Science is not about truth. Direct replicated observation is about truth, but due to the problem of induction - a problem that has been understood since David Hume and arguably long before - empirical science quickly deviates from it due to uncertainty. "

    Yes, this is unfortunately true. Science is not about truth, it is about points, publications and scientific titles. If you want to be out there and speak the truth, the system forces you to make these titles and points for publications, even though you know internally that you are writing something that deviates from this truth, but you have to publish it all according to the limitations so that the world will want to listen to you once you start speaking the truth. In this world, speaking the truth often requires a position. Otherwise the reach of your message will be severely limited.

    This is, of course, the effect of authority. If you become a recognised scientist and speak the truth - chances are that someone will take your words flowing from the depths seriously. If you were a mysterious and anonymous person, then the same words will not be received in the same way by the vast majority of people.

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