John Archibald Wheeler vs. Thuan
John Archibald Wheeler, the renowned American physicist, is well known for his “delayed choice experiment” and “participatory universe”. The message of Wheeler can be interpreted the way Thuan would like to see it only by someone who did not really study any discussion by the experts. In his autobiographical book “Geons, Black Holes & Quantum Foam”, Wheeler states explicitly:
Reasoning like this has made me ask whether the universe is a “self-exciting circuit” – a system whose existence and whose history are determined by measurements. By “measurement” I do not mean an observation carried out by a human-designed instrument – or by any extraterrestrial intelligence, or even by an ant or an amoeba. Life is not a necessary part of this equation. A measurement, in this context, is an irreversible act in which uncertainty collapses to certainty. It is the link between the quantum and classical worlds, the point where what might happen – multiple paths, interference patterns, spreading clouds of probability – is replaced by what does happen: some event in the classical world, whether the click of a counter, the activation of an optic nerve in someone’s eye, or just the coalescence of a glob of matter triggered by a quantum event.
Wheeler could not have said more clearly: “Life is not a necessary part of this equation.”
John Wheeler is also known for his graphic representation of “quantum reality”:
The picture is endowed with this perplexing caption: “Does looking back “now” give reality to what happened “then”?” Certainly, looking only at the picture, and not reading the text that accompanies the discussion, it is easy to make an error. But in his written text, Wheeler states it clearly:
“The eye could as well be a piece of mica. It need not be a part of an intelligent being.”
Thuan Misrepresents Quantum Theory
Why is Thuan misrepresenting the state of affairs in his discussion of the implication of quantum theory? Again my guess is that the reason is that he is not expert in this domain, that’s why. But there are many experts that are around, and many papers and books written by experts. John Wheeler, who is a coauthor of several well-known advanced books, including “Gravitation Theory and GravitationalCollapse” (1965), “Einstein's Vision” (1968), “Gravitation” (1973), “Frontiers of Time” (1979), “Quantum Theory and Measurement” (1983), and who was awarded the Niels Bohr International Gold Medal in 1982, is certainly such an expert.
Of course I am taking into account the possibility that Thuan would disregard Wheeler’s expertise for political reasons – Wheeler, at least according to Encyclopedia Universalis – which, as we already know, may be true or may be not true - was rather actively engaged in the American war machine while Buddhists are, as a rule, though not always, of a peaceful nature. But if that is the case - one should not covertly mix politics and Science. Moreover, there are other experts that came to the same conclusion as Wheeler did.
Thuan Misleads His Readers About “The Observer”
To summarize this part of my argument: there is nothing in quantum theory that would force us to consider an “observer” as a necessary part of our description of the observed phenomena. There exists formalisms and interpretation in which no “observer” is necessary.
John Bell and Measurement
John Bell, a recognized expert, was explicitly criticizing even the use of the very term “measurement” in quantum theory.
Note: As for myself, perhaps I should not call myself “an expert”, nevertheless I received Humboldt award for my work on one such alternative formulation.
He was stressing that it leads to confusion, and he was advocating a formalism that could serve as a possible alternative to the orthodox formulation of quantum theory. Thuan is misleading his readers by showing one particular interpretation of quantum theory without discussing in depth all the issues involved. I would not be surprised seeing this type of twisting in a paper by a theologian, but from a scientist I would expect a more objective presentation of the “lessons from quantum theory”.
Thuan is Confused
Now, before giving a final whistle to this subject, I would like to remind you, dear Reader, that I am writing all of this only to demonstrate how easy it is to criticize someone’s hard work – if one wants to. I am simply skipping all the good parts of Thuan’s popularizing work, and I am concentrating on selected points, those points that could be easily fixed by the Author or by a reviewer, but, for various reasons, were left far from being optimal.
After saying the above I will use as my last example – two statements in two different works of Thuan, one contradicting the other.
In “Quantum and the Lotus” Thuan explains the conversion of matter into energy. He writes:
Inversely, matter can be converted into energy – this is what makes the sun shine, for example. By converting a tiny fraction of its mass of hydrogen (0.7 percent) into light (photons), our star allows life to exist on earth.
It is logically implied in the above statement that, for Thuan, light (photons) represents energy and not matter. But in the article the story is different. Thuan writes there:
Thus, the particles we call photons and electrons, as well as all the other particles of matter ….
The reader who is paying attention to both of Thuan’s statements is justified in being confused. Are photons “matter”, or are they “energy”? Evidently Thuan’s is not able to make up his mind concerning this subject. When it is convenient to him, he considers photons as energy – when his aim is to give an example of an application of Einstein’s mass-energy conversion formula. But when his aim is different, then he calls photons “matter”.
Is physics so fuzzy indeed? It is supposed to be an exact science after all Don’t physicists know what matter is, and what is energy? Or is it only our unfortunate author, Trinh Xuan Thuan, who has a problem with definitions?
As is always the case, the fact that other authors of popular physics books (and, perhaps, even textbooks) may be similarly confused and confusing should not be an excuse for a scientist. Contradiction is contradiction. Scientists should avoid making contradictory statements, and when they make them – these contradictions should be pointed out – in the name of Science. Or so I think.
P.S.1. To demonstrate how Real Physicists approach the "dogmas" (in a dramatic contrast to Thuan, as discussed in my recent posts, let me quote from a paper by Willis E. Lamb, Jr (Nobel Prize in Physics 1955). The paper entitled "Super Classical Quantum Mechanics: The Interpretation of Non-Relativistic Quantum Mechanics " published in Zhizhan Xu Shengwu Xie Shi -Yao Zhu MarIan O. Scully (Eds.) , "Frontiers of laser Physics and Quantum Optics ", Springer 2000.
5 Historical Misunderstandings
One of the advantages gained by our treatment is that one can forget (and, or, forgive?) many of the fuzzy ideas[15,16]' that cluttered the path from Classical Mechanics to Quantum Mechanics. These include: Planck's theory of black body radiation, Einstein's photon and treatment of the photoelectric effect of 1905, Bohr's 1913 quantization, Bohr's 1918 Correspondence Principle, de Broglie's waves of 1924, Heisenberg's matrix mechanics of 1925, Schrodinger's wave equation of 1925, Dirac's Quantum Mechanics of 1926, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of 1927, Bohr's Principles of Complementarity and Wave-particle Duality, Dirac's and von Neumann's notions of the Collapse of Wave Packets, and the excessive use of Hilbert Space. We might have been spared much of the agony needlessly suffered with the Two Slit Diffraction Pattern Paradoxes, the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen Paradoxes, and the Schrodinger Cat Paradox[17,18]. Also unnecessary were Bohm's Quantum Mechanics and Hidden Variable Theories, and Bell's Inequalities. Other variations abound in the pages of Physics Today[19] and Physics World[20]: DH (Decoherent Histories), with words like "reality" and "non-locality", SL (Spontaneous Localization), and BQM (Bohmian Quantum Mechanics). It is widely rumored that the Editors of the Physical Review find that papers on measurement theory are too troublesome to edit.
Delayed Choice Experiments[21] have never been adequately discussed using any systematic theory of Quantum Mechanical Measurement. The same can be said of Quantum Computers and Quantum Cryptography[22]. The bulk of papers on these subjects lack any understanding of the intrinsic probabilistic nature of Quantum Mechanics. Papers on teleportation are beneath contempt.
As you can see, no sacred cow was spared in these paragraphs written by an expert scientist! Of course the public wants to believe that a least physicists will tell them the "truth". The public should forget it! The public should keep in mind what Bertrand Russell wrote:
The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this:
(1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain;
(2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and
(3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgement.
Sceptical Essays, Routledge 2004
It follows in particular that one should always look for the second, third, 100th expert's disclosure. Do all experts agree on a given subject? Or, perhaps, they jump to each other throats at the conferences? Relying on a journal with a reputation is not a good idea, as these journals do everything possible to avoid confrontation and to present themselves as "reliable".
Pay attention to this sentence in the above quote:
It is widely rumored that the Editors of the Physical Review find that papers on measurement theory are too troublesome to edit.
P.S.2. Studying now: Bernard Jancewicz, Premetric Electrodynamics (2008).
P.S.3. "JA, JA, JA,,,,,,, you are modest, you would never become politic...." What reminds me:
How to get rid of pride? 5 proven ways
P.S.4 Also useful to know:
P.S.5. Sunday's Special - More from Confucius:
Arkadiusz, I discovered you on year 2000, with that paint from René Magritte of that mountain in the sky.
ReplyDeleteI see you are still alive, it is good.
I wish you best.
Javier, Madrid, España.
Thank you! How nice to know that the set of people that wish me well is non-empty!
DeleteAnd now, once you discovered that I am still alive, perhaps once in a while you will; write a comment related to the subjects discussed on my blog blog, so that I know that you are also ok.
Of course you can also suggest an independent topic for discussion If it is of interest to me, i will think about it.
Right now I am learning from scratch electromagnetics, because I realized how little I know and understand about this important topic. It is unbelievable how a professor in theoretical physics can be so undereducated in such an extremely important area!
Мэтр! Вы съекономите много времени, если прежде ознакомитесь с краткой благой вестью от Ваша Соплеменника Ф.Ф.Горбацевича http://ethertheory.org/ru/universum там есть и о магнитном поле. Учтите - он врылся в микромир до разумного основания, глубже замысловатых кварков, ароматов и прочей парфюмерии метаматики. Оспорьте этот базис или замените и поднимайтесь к прочим противоречиям - вместо просто осуществить проверку по вьетнамцу адуального мира Ритца twitter.com/huytoan52 https://t.co/FYjUQ8hPwT ?
DeleteBjab -> Ark
ReplyDelete"Thus, the particles we call photons and electrons, as well as all the other particles of matter …."
And did he not want the above sentence to be read as:
"Thus, the particles we call photons (and electrons, as well as all the other particles of matter) …"
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ReplyDeleteAlso true! Though if you burn something and then decide it was a bad decision - there is no return.
Deletethat's how we got the irreversibility of time?
ReplyDelete"A ship in port is safe; but that is not what ships are built for" Grace Hopper
That is why we should not burn things, unless absolutely necessary. Symbolic burning is allowed though.
DeleteNice quote about the ships.
Interesting.
ReplyDeleteI am in the process preparing a review for a potential publisher of a book about Aristotelian physics. And Laura has just received a notice that her ponerology paper is being read by:
George Boger
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Ancient Philosophy
Retired professor of philosophy with special focuses on Ancient Philosophy -- Aristotle's logic, Plato's and Aristotle's moral and political philosophies…
https://canisius.academia.edu/GeorgeBoger
Bjab -> Ark
ReplyDeleteThank you for the link to "A gentle introduction to the foundations of classical electrodynamics..."
But there is a sentence: "Obviously, the velocity c and the resistance Ω0 are constants of nature".
Apart from that there should be speed not velocity, is that sentence correct?
c is a constant by definition - but the speed of light varies (e.g. near massive stars)?
"A gentle introduction" was written in 2000, treat it as a preliminary thoughts. I moved now to its newer, more developed version "On Kottler's path: origin and evolution of the premetric program in gravity and in electrodynamics".
DeleteThere are some comments about the speed of light at the beginning, where I am now.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1607.06159
And of course better than the "Gentle Introducion" ia Hehl and Obukhov " Foundations of Classical Electrodynamics", Charge, Flux, and metric". It is costly, but really worth having. It also has little programs in Reduce (free but powerful software).
DeleteIn "On Kottler's path" the authors suggest a textbook: Bamberg, Sternberg "A Course in Mathematics for Students of Physics: Volume 2". I love Sternberg!
DeleteJust a while ago I managed to order a used copy of this book for just 10 E, including shipping. In a P.S. I added a copy of the table of content of this textbook.