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I am kind of a Platonist. But I'm not the only one! |
We continue from Part 5. Let us first recall the definitions.
We consider a 6-dimensional real vector space V with a scalar product of signature (4,2). We select an orthonormal basis in this space, ei (i=0,...,5) , so that
(e0,e0)=(e1,e1,)=(e2,e2)=(e3,e3)=1, (e4,e4)=(e5,e5)= -1.
with vectors ei being orthogonal to each other:
(ei,ej) = 0 for i≠j.
We call this space, with a selected basis, R4,2. A general vector x of V is then written as
x = x0e0+...+x5e5.
We define Q as the set of all isotropic (i.e. (u,u)=0 for any nonzero vector u on the line) lines through the origin 0 in V. Alternatively Q can be written as (see Part 5):
Q = {[u]∈P(V): (u,u) = 0},
where P(V) is the real projective space of V: P(V)=(V∖{0})/∼, with x∼y if and only if there exists a real λ such that y=λx. We now want to prove the following proposition:
Proposition. The following formula defines an explicit isomorphism between the space of oriented spheres (discussed in Lie Sphere Geometry Part 4: oriented spheres) and Q:
(m,t) ⟼ x(m,t) = [m+cos(t)e4+sin(t)e5]. (1)
Proof. Let us start with analyzing the meaning of the formula (1). On the left hand side we have m and t. Together they define an oriented sphere as explained in Part 4. But in Part 4 we had coordinates x1,...,x4, while here we have coordinates x0,...,x5. How should we understand (1)? On the right hand side we see m+cos(t)e4+sin(t)e5. This suggests that m in (1) should be understood as m=m0e0+m1e1+m2e2+m3e3. So our S3 in Part 4 is now in the space of coordinates x0,...,x3 instead of x1,...,x4 as it was previously. Since m is assumed to be on the unit sphere S3, we have (m,m)=1. We also have (m,e4)=(m,e5)=0.
Then we find that
(x(m,t), x(m,t)) = (m,m)-sin2(t)-cos2(t)=1-1=0,
so that x(m,t) is an isotropic vector in V. It is certainly a non-zero vector (Why?), so it defines a point of Q.
Next, we remember from Part 4 that (m, t) and (-m, t+π mod 2π) define the same oriented sphere. Do they define the same point of Q? We easily see, from the properties of sin and cos functions, that x(-m,t+π mod 2π) = -x(m,t). Therefore indeed (1) defines a well defined map from the set of oriented spheres (S3⨉S1)/Z2 into Q.
It remains to be shown that the map is one-to one and onto. Let us first check that the map is one-to-one. Suppose [x(m,t)]=[x(m',t')]. That means x(m',t')=λx(m,t), or, explicitly
λ(m+cos(t)e4+sin(t)e5)=(m'+cos(t')e4+sin(t')e5) .
Since 1=cos2(t)+sin2(t) = cos2(t')+sin2(t')=1, it follows that λ=±1. If λ=1, then t'=t and m'=m. If λ=-1, then t'=t+π mod 2π, and m'=-m. Thus (m,t) and (m',t') define the same oriented sphere. So our map is injective.
We
will show now that it is also surjective. The simplest way of doing
this is by explicitly calculating the inverse map from Q to (S3⨉S1)/Z2. Let's do it. We take any point [u] in Q. Then (u,u)=0 and u≠0. That means
(u0)2+(u1)2+(u2)2+(u3)2-(u4)2-(u5)2 = 0,
or
(u0)2+(u1)2+(u2)2+(u3)2 = (u4)2+(u5)2 .
But u≠0, therefore (u4)2+(u5)2 > 0. Set u'=λu, where λ = ( (u4)2+(u5)2 )-½ . Then [u']=[u]. But now (u'4)2+(u'5)2= 1, therefore there exists a unique t in [0,2π) such that u'4=cos(t), u'5=sin(t). Set m=u'0e0+u'1e1+u'2e2.+u'3e3. Then m fulfills (m,m) =1, so for each point [u] in Q there is oriented sphere (m,t) for which x(m,t)=[u]. QED.
The mystery of zero-radius spheres
The space (S3⨉S1) looks like a homogeneous space - none of its points is better than any other. And (S3⨉S1)/Z2
or isomorphic to it Q doesn't look any worse. In fact, we will see
later on that both are homogeneous spaces under the action of SO(4,2).
And yet among the oriented spheres in S3
there are those with zero radius and no orientation. The same applies to
our experiences in the 3D world we live in. How can these two different
views be reconciled? That is a bugging question. Here is my attempt to
answer it, and details I hope to give in future posts.
What
we see, what we experience, is a projection, like a shadow of a
higher-dimensional structure on a lower-dimensional wall. A sphere
becomes a point, but the sphere itself is just a shadow. Change the
position of the lamp, and the sphere will become a point and the point
will become a sphere.
Now,
formally it looks like a reasonable answer, but after some thinking the
next question comes to mind: how can we do it in practice? Can we? Or
is it just mathematics that has nothing to do with the physical world?
I
think we can, and, I think, it has to do a lot with physics. Special
Relativity deals with inertial frames. But there are no truly inertial
frames in nature. Lorentz transformations are transformations between
inertial frames. It is an idealization valid as long as accelerations
can be neglected. This is our overwhelming experience. We do not have
much experience with accelerations. Well, fighter jet pilots have some,
but still their experiences are local and short, not more than second's
long 10 Gs. That's next to nothing on the Universe scale. What happens
inside elementary particles? We have no idea. Their internal structure
is still a pure guess. We have models that answer some questions, but
leave other questions open. I will approach this subject from the side
of mathematics. The physical interpretation and possible application of
the mathematical formulas is a hard and demanding work. And, anyway,
what we do here is just playing with one particular model, a model that,
perhaps, catches some of the properties of Reality, but leaves aside
other important properties.
So, in the next post we study group action on Q. And after that I will propose a way how to get rid of taking quotient by Z2,
which bothers me aesthetically. Why must we take this quotient? To
take another shadow for reality? As you see I am kind of a Platonist.
But I'm not the only one!
P.S. 13-04-25 1:40
In the comment Igor BayakApril 12, 2025 at 10:02 PM Igor Bayak wrote:
"the product of spheres loses its orientability as a result of factorization."
Let us see that this statement is, in our case, false. We have two spheres S1 and S3. For S1 let us take the group of all complex numbers c with modulus one: |c|=1.
For S3.we take the group of unitary 2x2 matrices of determinant one - the group SU(2). They can be parametrized as
x1+ iy1, x2+iy2
-(x2-iy2), x1-iy1
with the determinant given by (x1)2+(y1)2+(x2)2+(y2)2 = 1.
This is the equation of S3. So we have our S1 and S3 realized as Lie groups. One is a group of complex numbers, the second one a group of 2x2 complex matrices.
We tak the product U(1) x SU(2). It is the group of pairs (c,A), where c is in U(1) and A is in U(2).
Now we define the map, let us call it f from U(1) x SU(2) into the group of all unitary 2x2 matrces:
f(c,A) = cA.
It is clear that if A is in SU(2), and c in U(1), the product of A by the complex number c is a unitary matrix. Moreover f is a group homomorphism from U(1) x SU(2) into U(2). And every unitary matrix can be represented as such a product. Therefore f is surjective
We easily see that f(-c,-A)=f(c,A). Indeed f(c,A)=f(c',A') if and only if c=c' and A=A' or c=-c' and A=-A'.
In other words
U(2) =(S3⨉S1)/Z2
where the factorization is by identifying the opposite points simultaneously.
But U(2) is a Lie group, it has 4 parameters. Its Lie algebra is 4-dimensional. Thus we have four linearly independent vector fields on U(2) depending smoothly on the point. It follows that taking the quotient by Z2 , in this case, produces again an orientable manifold, contrary to what Igor was thinking,
P.S. 13-04-25 17:30 Reading Plato Apology, 21 b,c,d:
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... whereas when I do not know, neither do I think I know; so I am likely to be wiser than he to this small extent, that I do not think I know what I do not know. |
"Consider that I tell you this because I would inform you about the origin of the slander. When I heard of this reply I asked myself: "Whatever does the god mean? What is his riddle? I am very conscious that I am not wise at all; what then does he mean by saying that I am the wisest? For surely he does not lie; it is not legitimate for him to do so." For a long time I was at a loss as to his meaning; then I very reluctantly turned to some such investigation as this: I went to one of those reputed wise, thinking that there, if anywhere, I could refute the oracle and say to it: "This man is wiser than I, but you said I was." Then, when I examined this man—there is no need for me to tell you his name, he was one of our public men—my experience was something like this: I thought that he appeared wise to many people and especially to himself, but he was not. I then tried to show him that he thought himself wise, but that he was not. As a result he came to dislike me, and so did many of the bystanders. So I withdrew and thought to myself: "I am wiser than this man; it is likely that neither of us knows anything worthwhile, but he thinks he knows something when he does not, whereas when I do not know, neither do I think I know; so I am likely to be wiser than he to this small extent, that I do not think I know what I do not know." After this I approached another man, one of those thought to be wiser than he, and I thought the same thing, and so I came to be disliked both by him and by many others."
X is certainly a non-zero vector (Why?) Because sin(t) and cos(t) never vanish both at once?
ReplyDelete@Arc, maybe I missed something, but could you explain why you call the factorized product of spheres oriented? I would call it non-orientable, because the product of spheres loses its orientability as a result of factorization.
ReplyDelete@Igor You introduce another orientability here. But we can discuss also your question:
Delete(S3xS1)/Z2 is diffeomorphic to the Lie group U(2).
You probably know it well.
But every Lie group is parallelizable, therefore also orientable. Therefore (S3xS1)/Z2 is orientable.
This is discussed, for instance, here:
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2513043/orientability-of-lie-group
Наверно, вы правы. Тор как поверхность (многообразие) ориентируем, а проективная плоскость, которая получается факторизацией задающих окружностей тора, не ориентируема. С другой стороны, группы Ли это действия в пространствах, а там другие правила. Кстати, я прочитал ваши посты об ориентируемых и неориентируемых окружностях на классической сфере и понял, что мы с вами говорим об одном и том же. Вы это называете ориентируемыми окружностями на сфере, а я тором, натянутым на сферу с выколотыми полюсами. А поскольку тор ориентируем, то вы правы, но как только с помощью факторизации мы отождествим противоположные точки задающих окружностей тора, то прав буду я. Задающие окружности тора, которые являются образом изотропных прямых псевдоевклидовой плоскости, служат границей ориентируемых поверхностей (квадратиков), из которых складывается поверхность тора. Если отождествить противоположные точки задающих окружностей, то ориентация квадратиков (направление обхода границы квадрата) будет не согласована и тор потеряет ориентируемость.
DeleteIgor, do you agree that (S3xS1)/Z2 is topologically the same as the group U(2)? Or do you want me to show it?
DeleteВсякая группа Ли имеет свою топологию, поэтому я согласен с этим утверждением. А вы согласны с тем, что факторизованный тор это проективная плоскость?
Delete@Igor and Ark, does your dialog above mean that you have met each other in your walk around the elephant? Wouldn't you issue a brief communiqué on the results of your negotiations for other participants please?
DeleteТолько что вернулся с прогулки. Выгуливал собаку без поводка, а на неё вдруг напала ворона и начала клевать то в хвост то в гриву. Похоже, я (как и моя собака) зашёл на чужую территорию.
Delete@Anna, Igor
Delete"Wouldn't you issue a brief communiqué on the results of your negotiations for other participants please?"
I added a P.S. explaining to Igor where he got it wrong.
Это вы о топологии группы (с которой я согласен), но вы ничего не сказали о топологии тора, у которого отождествлены (факторизованы) противоположные точки задающих окружностей.
Delete@Igor
DeleteIf we are going to discuss mathematics, you have to DEFINE your torus with identified opposite points. You need to give a mathematical definition. Write the definitions. Torus? Which torus? Identified points? Which points? How? If you do not do this - you are a poet, not a mathematician.
@Igor
DeleteYou wrote "the product of spheres loses its orientability as a result of factorization."
I have proven, using a particular example, that this statement is false. Do you have any problems with understanding what I wrote? If you have problems, tell me at which point, and I will explain.
@Igor
DeleteBut perhaps you are talking about (S^1xS^2)/Z2, while I am talking about (S^1xS^3)/Z2. If so, my example does not aplly to your case. That all depends on what you mean by a "torus". S^1xS^2 is a "torus" and S^1xS^3 is a "torus". Taking quotient by Z2 makes the first one non-orientable, but the second one remains orientable. Thus your quite general statement ""the product of spheres loses its orientability as a result of factorization" is false. Sometimes it loses, orientability sometimes it does not. Depends on "which spheres"?
Спасибо за объяснения. Действительно, я ошибался. Наивно полагал, что раз классический тор (S1xS1) теряет ориентируемость, то и в больших размерностях это происходит по аналогии.
DeleteFor a classical torus there are many identifications possible. The final result depends on how EXACTLY you perform the identifications. The devil is in the details. If you do not specify EXACTLY what you are doing, you are a bad boy!
DeleteДо меня, наконец-то дошло (как до жирафа) где зарыто моё недопонимание. Я в голове держу S^1/Z_2 x S^1/Z_2, а у вас то (S^1 x S^1)/Z_2. Аркадиуш, дайте мне, пожалуйста, ссылку на первоисточник первого упоминания (S^1 x S^1)/Z_2 или (если это фольклор), то дайте любую общедоступную литературную ссылку. Мне понравился ваш рассказ об ориентированных окружностях на классической сфере, но его же невозможно использовать как литературную ссылку.
Delete@Igor
DeleteHere the link:
https://belorusskie-skazki.larec-skazok.ru/andrej-vseh-mudrej
'What happens inside elementary particles? We have no idea. Their internal structure is still a pure guess'
ReplyDeleteBy their name, elementary particles have no 'inside' in the common sense, they are rather the place where 'inside' meets 'outside' and both can turn into one another in their interplay. Yes, it is only a verbal metaphor, I hate it myself...) And, of course, this does not prevent particles from having a structure and rules of the game that we can explore.
Можно ещё использовать такую метафору как топологическая особенность векторного поля скорости движущейся материи.
DeleteTranslation of the above: "One can also use such a metaphor as a topological feature of the vector field of the velocity of moving matter".
DeleteIgor, yes, there is some charm in this variant, but "moving matter" causes questions: in what reference frame does it move? Relative to ether?
Анна, движущаяся материя и есть эфир. А движется он относительно наблюдателя и вместе с наблюдателем а также безотносительно чего либо на поверхности семимерной сферы.
Delete"The mystery of zero-radius spheres <...> And yet among the oriented spheres in S3 there are those with zero radius and no orientation".
ReplyDeleteIn my mind, there is only ONE mystery, and it is of infinity. All similar questions flow to it naturally: Cantor's cardinality of continuum, incompatibility of quantum and continuous, impossibility to comb a hedgehog without a vertex, two-valuedness (duality) of being...
Our horror of infinity is understandable, it results from our attempts to explain infinite Universe by our principally limited brains. But there is an emergence exit, which bridges the infinity, it is just plus one dimension. A new, emerging quality, which is not captured by quantity mathematics usually deals with. Spinors are all about it.
with vectors ei ->
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We define Q is the set ->
We define Q as the set
"We define Q is the set of all isotropic lines through the origin in V. Alternatively Q can be written as (see Part 5):
ReplyDeleteQ = {[u]∈P(V): (u,u) = 0}"
What "isotropic" means?
Fixed. Thanks.
Deleteu0)2+(u1)2+(u2)2-(u3)2-(u4)2-(u5)2 = 0 ->
Deletetoo many minuses
(u0)2+(u1)2+(u2)2-(u3)2 = (u4)2+(u5)2 ->
too many minuses
"Q doesn't look any better" ->
ReplyDeleteworse?
(x1)2+(y1)2+(x2)2+(y2)2 = 1 ->
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Now we defines ->
DeleteNow we define
Thanks!
Deletethe same oriented sphere? ->
Deletethe same oriented sphere.
[x{m',t')] ->
[x(m',t')]
++ ->
+
(m',t) ->
(m',t')
the same oriented circle ->
the same oriented sphere
"The space (S3⨉S1) looks like a homogeneous space - no of its points is better than any other. And (S3⨉S1)/Z2 or isomorphic to it Q doesn't look any better."
ReplyDeleteDoesn't look any better or doesn't look any worse?
Homogeneousity is disadvantage or adventage?
Thanks. As for better or worse, I have yet to figure it out what the author was trying to communicate here....
DeleteYou were right. Being homogeneous looks like a surprise here. Corrected better to worse.
DeleteTypos fixed. Thanks.
I remind:
ReplyDelete(m',t) ->
(m',t')
the same oriented circle ->
the same oriented sphere
"Since 1=cos^2(t)+sin^2(t) = cos^2(t')+sin^2(t')=1, it follows that λ=±1"
ReplyDeleteIs it just me who doesn't understand why does λ=±1 follow from the basic trigonometric identity?
It looks like we take e4 = cos(t) and e5 = sin(t) here, but we will see that it is the case only later, when proving surjectivity...
DeleteIt wasn't obvious for me either.
DeleteI had to explain it to me like this:
If
λ(m+cos(t)e4+sin(t)e5)=(m'+cos(t')e4+sin(t')e5)
then we must have:
λcos(t)e4=cos(t')e4
and
λsin(t)e5=sin(t')e5
so we must have:
λcos(t)=cos(t')
and
λsin(t)=sin(t')
when we square them we get:
λ²cos²(t)=cos²(t')
and
λ²sin(t)=sin²(t')
and then we can sum them:
λ²cos²(t)+λ²sin²(t)=cos²(t')+sin²(t')
so the only possibility is that λ satisfies
λ²=1
Bjab, many thanks! Right you are, we should simply equate the coefficients of the same basis elements.
Delete@Bjab
DeleteThank you for your explanation. I couldn't do it any better.
"But U(2) is a Lie group, it has 4 parameters. Its Lie algebra is 4-dimensional. Thus we have four linearly independent vector fields on U(2) depending smoothly on the point. It follows that taking the quotient by Z2 , in this case, produces again an orientable manifold"
ReplyDeleteArk, could you specify please what definition of orientability do you use here?
Orientability of differentiable manifolds
Deleteas in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientability
Then x(m,t)=u', therefore [x(m,t)]=[u]. QED. ->
ReplyDeleteSuch m fulfills (m,m) =1 so there is oriented sphere (m,t) for wich we get any point of Q. QED.
Such m fulfills (m,m) =1 so there is oriented sphere (m,t) for any point of Q. QED.
DeleteThank you!
Deletethere is oriented sphere (m,t) for which x(m,t)=[u]. QED. ->
Deletethere exists oriented sphere (m,t). QED.
"Thus we have four linearly independent vector fields on U(2) depending smoothly on the point. It follows that <...> U(2) is orientable."
ReplyDelete@Ark, i have read the whole Wiki article about orientability, but i didn't find any mentioning of the number of independent vector fields on a manifold as a criterion of its orientability... ((
The reasoning goes as follows. From Wikipedia: "The existence of a volume form is therefore equivalent to orientability of the manifold."
DeleteOn our 4-dimensional manifold we need a volume form. It is a 4-form. We take any nonzero 4-form at the identity of U(2). Then we propagate it by right translations (they act on forms by pull-back) to the whole group. We get a volume form. Any Lie group is, this way, orientable as a manifold.
This is the simple way, no vector fields are needed if you know that diffeomorphisms act on differential forms by pull-backs.
"The existence of a volume form is therefore equivalent to orientability of the manifold."
DeleteYes, i noticed this phrase, it seemed meaningful. Intuitively, the concept of volume implies the notions of inside and outside. I should read about forms and the pull-back action of them, but the idea is clear: if "any Lie group is orientable", it is all we need. I will try to grasp and remember this, thank you!
Found this;
DeleteМИЩЕНКО А. С., СОЛОВЬЕВ Ю. П., ФОМЕНКО А. Т. Сборник задач по дифференциальной геометрии и топологии: Учеб, пособие для вузов.— М.: Издательство физико-математической литературы, 2001.—352 с.— ISBN 5-94052-047-2.
12.26 . Доказать, что если на многообразии существует невырожденная форма максимального ранга, то многообразие ориентируемо.
A very good reference that I like very much is Marian Fecko, Differential Geometry and Lie Groups for Physicists, CUP 2006. On p. 216: bottom line: "any Lie group is a parallelizable as well as orientable manifold."
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