Friday, March 28, 2025

Lie Sphere Geometry Part 2: unoriented circles

 

Process philosophy, rooted in thinkers like Alfred North Whitehead and Charles Sanders Peirce, posits that reality is fundamentally dynamic—composed of processes, events, and relations rather than static objects. In this view, becoming precedes being; change and interaction are primary, while "things" are derivative patterns of stability within flux. Category theory aligns with this perspective by emphasizing arrows (morphisms) over objects, treating objects as mere nodes in a web of transformations. Peirce’s semiotics and process-oriented metaphysics anticipated this, framing reality as a continuum of signs and relations, where meaning and existence arise from dynamic interplay rather than fixed substances. Nature, then, is best understood as a network of interdependent processes.

Becoming precedes being

In Parts 19-23 we have discussed circles and conformal maps. Circles are 1D objects, and they have been discussed in two dimensions. But circles may be static or dynamic. A dynamical circle can be expanding or contracting. The dynamical state of the circle can be symbolized by an arrow showing the direction of its rotation with respect to its center. Then, choosing anticlockwise orientation, we draw a perpendicular to this arrow. It will point either towards the center, or outside of the center. State of contraction or expansion. We call them "oriented circles". Points are circles of zero radius. You can not give two orientations to a point. So points are somewhat special. Straight lines can be considered as circles of infinite radius. Lines can carry arrows much like circles. Again there are two areas, one on one side of an infinite straight line, another area on the other side. It may tell us how our line "moves" in one of the directions perpendicular to the line.

Our aim are, in fact, spheres rather than circles - thus one dimension higher. But we will tart with circles, as they are intuitive for our 3D perception. Only after we are done with oriented circles, we will move to oriented spheres.

We first start with unoriented circles. But we want to treat circles, lines, and points in a unified framework.  The first step will be to move from drawing circles on the flat plane to drawing them on a sphere - which is a plane plus a point at infinity. We know that stereographic projection maps the plane into the sphere, and maps circles and lines into circles, preserving the angles between them. We will skip the stereographic projection step, and start directly with drawing our circles on the unit sphere S2 in R3.

Unoriented circles

Unoriented circles are simple to deal with. First we define S2:

S2 = {xR3x2 = 1}

Then, for every mS2, and for every r∈[0,π] define

Sr(m) = {xS2x·m = cos r}.

Then Sr(m) is a circle on S2 with center at m. For r=0 it reduces to one point x = m. For r = π it reduces to the opposite point x = -m. For r = π/2 we have a great circle. The parameter r can be considered as a distance between x and m measured along the shortest path (the great circle) connecting x and m. The maximal distance between two points on S2 is π.

Let us discard here points and consider only nonpoint spheres. Let me quote (simplified for our needs) Proposition 5.5, p. 120,  from G.R. Jensen et al., Surfaces in Classical Geometries, Springer 2016:

Proposition 5.5. If Σ denotes the set of all nonpoint circles in S2, then

Σ = (S2 ⨉ (0,π))/2,

where 2 acts on S2 ⨉ (0,π) by

-1(m,r) = (-m, π - r).

G.R. Jensen et al., Surfaces in Classical Geometries, p. 121


Proof: Can you see it?

P.S. 28-03-25 13:22 Yesterday's seminar mentioned in a P.S. of the previous post is now available online. Here is a screenshot with me making a comment on simulation of quantum processes with classical computers:


And here is another screenshot, of the speaker, S.A. Vekshenov,  talking about classical and quantum processes

P.S. 29-03-25 12:35 From my recent exchange with Gennady Shipov

Gennady Shipov

 I have learned about his many papers, in particular "The Problem of Inertia as a Cause of Stagnation in Theoretical Physics".  At the end of this paper we read:

"An objective external review of the work done highlights that the obtained results, in my opinion, are worthy of four Nobel Prizes in Physics, namely:
  1. For the generalized formula E(ω)=m(ω)c2E(\omega) = m(\omega)c^2, where mass is defined through the inertia field according to equation (56).

  2. For the generalized Tsiolkovsky equation (65), which utilizes the conservation law (59) and asserts the possibility of motion in outer space without mass ejection.

  3. For the theoretical justification and experimental confirmation of the motion of a 4D gyroscope under the influence of inertia forces.

  4. For the creation of a deterministic quantum mechanics, in which the wave function ψ\psi in equations (87) (formulas (81), (82)) is determined by the inertia field TkijT^j_{ki}.

As a far reaching vision, it sounds very interesting for me, in particular 4. So, I will have to take a closer look and see for myself how much of it I am able to understand. T^i_jk is the torsion tensor, and torsion, as it seems,  can couple directly to spin. Perhaps this will help me understand spin?

P.S. 30-03-25 12:38 Yesterday night I asked "myself in the future" about geometric algebras. In particular about the kind of geometric algebras that we will need in the future. The answer was: "Clifford algebras with enhancements". And, moreover, infinite-dimensional. So it's gonna be a really big elephant.

George Gamow, MR TOMPKINS IN WONDERLAND 

P.S. 01-04-25 12:31 AI can be useful. Here are some of the equations of the aether theory (with "slots" d=1,...,7)  based on Clifford Geometric Algebra (CGA), proposed by AI:




Of course human intelligence and inspiration are needed to make sense of these equations.

P.S. 01-04-25 15:52  I thought I will put a new post yesterday or today, but I am not yet completely happy with the level of my understanding of  "oriented circles", as they are described in the literature. I do have some geometric problems with them. And today evening there is another seminar I want to attend:

"Change of entropy-information balance in the processes of radioactive decay and nuclear fusion. Application of generators of non-electromagnetic interactions as an effective and only possible method of controlling the intensity and probability of the state of nuclear processes" by A.V. Karavaikin. 

Thus delay.

P.S. 02-05-25 Here is the full text of Grok 3 AI idea about hyperdimensional Clifford Algebra physics (as I mentioned in a P.S. yesterday):



P.S. 02-04-25 18:32 Still fighting with oriented circles for the next post. Produced an animation with Mathematica, but I am not happy with my understanding of the subject. 




45 comments:

  1. "Proposition 5.5. If Σ denotes the set of all nonpoint spheres in S2..."

    spheres or circles?

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    1. Circles. Thanks. They are spheres in the book.

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    2. "The set of all nonpoint circles in S2
      Σ = (S2 ⨉ (0,π))/ℤ2"
      This expression looks like describing great circles passing through points on the sphere. Like all possible radii from 0 to the maximal R of the sphere itself. But don't we need additional (0,2π) rotation to obtain all circles in S2?

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    3. Here is a picture I have in my mind:
      Take any nonpoint circle on S2. It is on a unique plane that intersects the sphere. Draw the perpendicular to this plane through the center of the sphere - the origin of the coordinate system in R3. This perpendicular line intersects with the sphere at two opposite points. Call one of these point m, then the other point is -m. The arc distance from m to any point x of the circle to m is the same. Call it r. Then r is between 0 and π. The arc distance from -m to any point x of the circle is the same. It is necessarily π-r, also between 0 and π.
      (S2 ⨉ (0,π)) is the set of pairs (m,r). Each such pair determines a unique circle, as described above. Pairs (m,r) and (-m, π-r) determine the same circle.
      Draw a 3D picture illustrating the above.
      Can you see it?

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    4. Yes, i drew exactly this picture for myself yesterday and was quite satisfied, but then fell in doubt: pairs (m,r) give us only centers and radii, shouldn't we make a 2pi turn around each center m keeping at distance r from it to obtain circles? Now i see that it was a mistake and my first image was right. Thank you!

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  2. Ark, you have chosen one of the most interesting slides from the Thursday seminar. I will ask Sergey about the Hopf fibration -- how does it emerge in his construction.

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    1. After we are done with S1 circles on S2, we will move to S2 spheres on S3. Then we will take oriented spheres. Someone asked during the seminar if oriented circles can be generalized to oriented spheres. We will go in this direction.

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  3. A small liryc digression, if you permit. In order to illustrate that we all investigate the same wholeness, but represent it very specially.
    Just found a charming Russian translation of the famous story of THE BLIND MEN AND THE ELEPHANT. A HINDOO FABLE.
    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Poems_of_John_Godfrey_Saxe/The_Blind_Men_and_the_Elephant
    by S. Ya. Marshak: http://www.world-art.ru/lyric/lyric.php?id=4343
    The final lines:
    А так как пятый был силен, -
    Он всем зажал уста.
    И состоит отныне слон
    Из одного хвоста!

    I apologize to Russian nonspeakers but could not help giving it here.

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    1. Introduction to metaphysics BY HENRI BERGSON
      "If we compare the definitions of various metaphysics and the conceptions of the absolute, we realize
      that the philosophers agree in spite of their various pretences to distinguish two profoundly
      different ways of knowing something.
      The first one implies that one moves around that thing and the second that one is in it.
      The first one depends on the viewpoint one takes and on the symbol by which one enters it.
      At first encounter one will say that it stops at the relative;
      at the second as to where it is possible that it achieves the absolute."

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    2. Only a glimpse of the absolute - it seems to me.

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  4. Shipov's theories "can couple directly to spin"

    Yes, surely! Most important consequences of the Shipov vacuum equation:
    1. The event space of the Theory of Physical Vacuum is 10-dim and had SPINORIC structure.
    2. The resulting quantum theory describes physical fields of any nature.
    3. The discrete structure of physical systems is generated by rotational relativity, which considers 6 angular coordinates (three spatial and three space-time angles) as elements of the space of events and reduces any real motion to ROTATION (Descartes' idea!).

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    1. Indeed, if spacetime has curvature, there is no reason why it should not have torsion. Electromagnetic wave illustrates this vividly behaving like a screw... And i immediately recall words by Lobachevsky that "каждому электромагнитному вектору соответствует винт в пространстве L3 - абсолюте мира Минковского" (each electromagnetic vector corresponds to a screw in the space L3 - absolute of Minkowsky space).

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  5. Reading about Hopf fibration in the Woit's book https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/QM/qmbook.pdf, p.84-87
    "Hopf fibration is a vector bundle over the sphere S2, a sort of twisted complex-valued function, taking values not in the same C for each x (as would a usual function), but in copies of C that vary with x. These copies of C move around in C2 in a topologically non-trivial way: they cannot all be identified with each other in a continuous manner".

    Thought that this topological obstruction resembles the unavoidable cowlick when one wants to comb a hairy ball flat.

    My obsessive idea is that such cowlicks might be the reason why two fermions cannot be in equal position and, therefore, why 'rough' fermionic matter exists along with the 'aethereal' bosonic fields. Each new fermion demands a qualitatively new state thus forming a dimension. Otherwise, the matter would never produce anything stable and dimensional at the same time.

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    1. Yet there is some mystery here. Quantum theory, when described in the language of Hilbert spaces and algebras does not really care about topology. It is all about measures, measurable functions, etc. And yet, mysteriously, topology seems to have its place in quantum phenomena. There is something deep hidden here. Waiting for discovery and for spelling it up loudly.

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    2. Yes, topology is all about continuous... but it is the grey eminence appearing everywhere in our game for knowing and understanding. If I am not mistaken, topological phases give a coupling link to the quantum phenomena.
      And i am waiting for Varlamov’s algebraic theory to be topologized, it is tailored for long exact sequences and homologies.

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  6. -1(m,r) = (-m, π - r). ->
    Strange.

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    1. Z2 is a group. It has two elements +1 and -1. Group action is multiplicative. Thus (-1)(-1) = 1. We have group action of Z2 on (m,r). To check that we have indeed group action, we have to check that (-1)(-1(m,r)) = (m,r). And indeed -(-m)=m, and π-(π-r)=r.

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  7. "... asserts the possibility of motion in outer space without mass ejection"

    Satellites move without mass ejection without any problem.

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    1. He probably had in mind "controllable motion" or "navigable motion", or something similar.

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    2. The question, "What did the author mean?" is a fundamental question in the humanities classroom.

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    3. Either way, there is no controllable movement without recoil or the absorption of mass.

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    4. "Either way, there is no controllable movement without recoil or the absorption of mass."
      Indeed this is a theorem in classical mechanics. But the proof of this theorem is based on certain assumptions or postulates. If these assumptions are not satisfied, then the theorem does not have to apply. For instance classical mechanics usually assumes "empty space". But what if there is always some kind of ether? Then we will have to rewrite classical mechanics, and it may become not so classical.

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    5. "Indeed this is a theorem in classical mechanics."

      This is the principle of how the Universe works.

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    6. Do not tell the Universe how it should work. We are rather far from discovering the true principles. We are still in the learning process. Our views change with time. What we call "principles" today will be considered as wishful thinking tomorrow, when we grow. For instance physicists are still debating the nature of "inertia". If it would be all clear, they would not debate such things. They debate about the nature of gravity. Is General Relativity the last world, or there is, perhaps, more than needs to be understood?
      The fact is that we do not have final answers. Shipov is trying to do something new. I wrote two critical papers about his math, which I did not like. He has replied to my critics. In his devices he is using permanent magnets. Other people point out that magnets are not so "permanent". The energy is needed to magnetize it. But no one, as far as I know, did the calculations. I would not discard an idea if the only reason for for negating it is using an a priori assumption that we know how the Universe works. We know something, but what we know is far from being the precise whole story..

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    7. "Do not tell the Universe how it should work."

      I don't tell the Universe how to work. I state that the principle of physics is true that controlled motion can only occur in connection with the rejection or absorption of mass. After all, this is closely related to the principle of the conservation of energy. Will you try to contest this principle too?

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    8. "Will you try to contest this principle too?"

      Sure we have a serious problem also with this. To get a taste of it you can start with:

      https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/energy_gr.html

      "Is Energy Conserved in General Relativity?

      In special cases, yes. In general, it depends on what you mean by "energy", and what you mean by "conserved"."

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    9. "In general, it depends on what you mean by "energy", and what you mean by "conserved".""

      Since it depends on what we consider energy, it means that we can consider energy as something that is conserved.

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    10. "it depends on what you mean by "energy", and what you mean by "conserved".
      Our scientific picture of world is like a net, which we are trying to throw on the reality, with definitions as vertices and laws as links between them. All are versatile, and numerous different triangulations are possible. The most hard problem is to determine which of them converges to reality.

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    11. @Bjab
      "Conserved is an undefined concept. If you want to use it - make it precise. Otherwise "conserved" may well mean the same as "making a conserve" to be consumed at a later time. Naively, in physics, "conserved" means "constant in time". But this depends on the meaning of "constant" and on the meaning of "time", which is problematic in the context of General Relativity. "Energy" is also undefined within that context. When physicists try to define it - they run into problems. Various solutions are being proposed. Until now no one fully satisfactory. Some of these problems are discussed in the review by Baez I have linked above.

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    12. @Bjab In GR we have certain mathematical identities that we call "conservation laws". But when we look at them, they are not really conservation laws, except in special cases. One possibility is that we do not really understand how Nature works. Our preconceptions are wrong. Another possibility is that GR is a very bad theory. Ther are still other possibilities that one can think about.

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    13. @Anna
      "The most hard problem is to determine which of them converges to reality."
      There is also a possibility that, like in quantum theory, our acts of "determining" what is true, actively influence the ultimate "truth".

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    14. "Naively, in physics, <> means "constant in time". But this depends on the meaning of <> and on the meaning of <>""

      The meaning of "constant" is well defined - the value does not change (over time). And when it comes to time, the only attribute that suffices here is its passage.





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    15. Naively, in physics, "conserved" means "constant in time". But this depends on the meaning of "constant" and on the meaning of "time"

      The meaning of "constant" is well defined - the value does not change (over time). And when it comes to time, the only attribute that suffices here is its passage.

      <

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    16. "The meaning of "constant" is well defined - the value does not change (over time)"

      Time is an absolutely undefined concept, the most mysterious and elusive one. Carlo Rovelli gave an excellent physical review of this concept in his famous book "Order of Time" and the "Forget Time" paper https://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3832.

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    17. @Bjab
      There is no such thing as "time" in GR, and there is no such thing as "energy" within GR. At the same time most physicists see GR sa an improvement of the Newtonian physics. Are you proposing a return to Newtonian physics? If so, what about iots other problems that has been answered with some success by Special and General Relativity?

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    18. "Are you proposing a return to Newtonian physics?"

      In a sense - yes I propose.
      (Apart from the fact that Newton had no idea about electromagnetism and aether.)

      "what about other problems that has been answered with some success by Special and General Relativity?"

      These "other problems" can be solved by a thorough study of the properties and state of the aetheric medium.

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    19. @Bjab. Good. Do you have some idea how the ether theory can explain gravity?

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    20. The disturbance of the aether (mass, energy) causes the tissue in its vicinity to disperse, which causes a loss of tension, and as a result, the speed of light becomes lower there.

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    21. I've seen an elastic aether related to the conformal group and that could allow shortcuts through spacetime Lie Sphere geometry. It's also useful for GR and the full symmetry of Maxwell's equations including superluminal solutions. It also fits nicely in a Clifford algebra. Newton's gravity may have been more rigid but Newton himself and his alchemy may have loved the conformal group.

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    22. @Bjab?
      This ether is in space?
      It satisfies some equations? If so, where do they come from?
      Do these equations require Euclidean geometry of space?
      Why is geometry of space Euclidean? Where it comes from?

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    23. 1. Aethter is in space 3D.
      2. Surely.
      3. They should be developed.
      4. Surely.
      5. It is 3D Euclidean because of cross product https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCWP6MWQ6vE
      6. From properties of Mathematics.

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    24. @Bjab I have put some tentative equations in a P.S.

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    25. "AI can be useful"

      Sometimes.

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  8. I like that it was getting "complex" from real bivectors. I think EEQT specifically the central classical part should be in there somewhere maybe via the central grade. Also infinity via tensor product to get the boring low energy part but that's not really what you are after.

    On the Cass forum, a commenter mentioned you mentioning conformal inversion. Consciousness looking at worldlines out to infinity and collapsing when torsion/curvature/spacetime separation gets too big might work with conformal inversion as you mentioned. Densities as some kind of torsion size, is that what Grok is suggesting? I think densities works better with some kind of personality modeling-like vectors like materialistic rigid vs. intuitively open instead of physics ones but it's got to be physics too in some sense.

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Lie Sphere Geometry Part 2: unoriented circles

  Process philosophy, rooted in thinkers like Alfred North Whitehead and Charles Sanders Peirce, posits that reality is fundamentally dyna...