Sunday, January 26, 2025

Spin Chronicles Part 41: density matrix

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.


In Part 40, we embarked on a journey through the GNS construction—a profound bridge between abstract algebra and the tangible world of Hilbert spaces. Starting with a finite-dimensional *-algebra 

A and a positive functional f (a state), we constructed a Hilbert space H, a *-representation ρ of A by linear operators acting on H, and a unit cyclic vector Ω in H. This elegant framework satisfied the condition:

(Ω,ρ(a)Ω)=f(a)

for all aA.

Yet, in our exploration, we treated these states as distant, almost alien entities—exotic creatures whose inner lives remained a mystery. They performed their roles impeccably, but we never paused to ask: What animates them? What is their essence? Do they hum with the quiet resonance of mathematical truth, or do they roar with the intensity of physical reality? Where do they come from, and what do they yearn to reveal? In this note, we will rectify this oversight. We will cultivate a deeper connection with these states, learning to appreciate their beauty and, perhaps, even growing to cherish them.

Friedrich Engels once invoked the English proverb: The proof of the pudding is in the eating. In our case, the states are the ingredients with which we prepare the pudding—a rich, nourishing dish of mathematical insight. But what is pudding without chocolate? To make our exploration more palatable, more resonant with the human spirit, we will sweeten it with a familiar tool: the algebra of 2×2 complex matrices. Though our *-algebra may seem abstract, even when rooted in the geometric Clifford algebra of space, its isomorphism to this well-known matrix algebra brings it closer to our hearts. This matrix algebra, wielded with care, will be the chocolate that enriches our pudding—a tool, yes, but one that transforms the unfamiliar into the delightful.

As we proceed, let us remember that mathematics is not merely a cold, mechanical exercise. It is a dance of ideas, a symphony of structures, and a journey of discovery. By developing a deeper connection with these states, we not only illuminate their mathematical significance but also uncover the poetry hidden within their formalism. Let us eat the pudding, savor the chocolate, and celebrate the beauty of the journey.

So, what is state? First of all it is a linear functional on A. But our A is not only an algebra. It is also a Hilbert space. In fact, it is even a Hilbert algebra (see Part 26), with its scalar product satisfying:

<ba,c> = <b,ca*>.           (0)

So, if f is a state, it is, first of all, a linear functional on a Hilbert space. I assume that the Reader has an elementary knowledge of Hilbert spaces. When learning about Hilbert space, one of the early things about them that we learn is that every continuous linear functional on a Hilbert space is given by a scalar product with a certain vector, in our case say Φf. Here this vector is an element of A: ΦfA. Thus

f(a) = <Φf,a>  for all aA.                           (*)

Well, why call it Φf? Perhaps we can use the same symbol f, now f denoting the element of the algebra representing the functional f? This would be eco-friendly, while  the meaning would be clear from the context.

That was my first idea, but that was a bad idea. Here is why: The left-hand side of (*) is linear in f, but on the right-hand side we have the scalar product, which is anti-linear in the first argument, so writing f(a) = <f,a> would be inconsistent, it would make a bad pudding. Yet a simple change fixes that: we call f the element of the algebra that accomplishes the following:

f(a) = <f*,a>.             (1)

Now it is consistent, and we can continue. The functional f should be a state, that is it should be positive:

f(a*a) ≥ 0 ⩝aA.

This implies, as we have seen before, that f has the Hermitian property

f(a*)=f(a)*.

How is this property reflected in the properties of the functional f represented through (1)  as an element of the algebra denoted by the same symbol?

At first I tried to use the Hilbert algebra identity (0), but, unfortunately, this identity is written in a form that is not quite suitable for this purpose. So, it is better to reach for chocolate: we realize A as the algebra Mat(2,C), where the scalar product is given by

<a,b> = ½Tr(a*b).

Then

f(a) = <f*,a> =  ½Tr(f**a) = ½Tr(fa),

and using the trace property Tr(uv)=Tr(vu):

f(a*) =  ½Tr(fa*) = ½Tr(a*f) = <a,f>,   (2)

while

f(a)* = <f*,a>* = <a,f*> .                   (3)

For f to have the Hermitian property the difference of (2) and (3) should be 0, so we get

<a, (f-f*)> = 0 for all a.

This implies f=f*. 

Thus the algebra element f representing the functional f must be Hermitian.

What about the positivity condition? Let's use the chocolate again. The matrix f representing the functional f is a Hermitian matrix. So it has real eingenvalues. Suppose one of its eigenvalues  λ is negative. Let p=p*=pp  be the orthogonal projection on the corresponding subspace. Then fp=λp. So

f(p*p)=<f*,pp>= ½Tr(fp) = ½Tr(λp) = λ/2

if p projects on 1-dimensional subspace, and it is λ if p projects on 2-dimensional subspace. This would be negative. Therefore the matrix representing f must have only positive (we say "positive" to denote non-negative) eigenvalues. 

Thus positive matrix f½ exists, so that f=(f½)2. Then

f(a) = ½Tr(fa) = ½Tr(f½ f½ a) = ½Tr(f½ af½ ) =<f½ ,a f½ >.

We still have the condition f(1)=1. That means that <f½ , f½ > =1. (Why?) 

Thus f½ is a unit vector, and  thus Tr(f) = 2. (Can you see it?)

The formula

f(a) = =<f½ ,a f½ >

looks almost exactly the same as the formula

f(a) = (Ω,ρ(a)Ω)

from Part 40: GNS construction. It will look even better if instead of "a f½" we write L(a)f½, where L denotes the left regular representation of A on A:

f(a) = <f½ ,L(a)f½ >.

For it to look exactly the same we must ensure that f½ is a cyclic vector. But is it?

We will go into these little  details (where the devil is hiding) in the next post.

By the way: in quantum theory mixed states are represented by "density matrices": positive matrices of trace 1. Thus our  ½f is the standard density matrix of quantum theory.

P.S. 26-01-25 14:38 In this post I tried DeepSeek AI to smooth out the introductory part of this post (it is in different font). Not too bad, I think.

P.S. 26-01-25 16:59 Jack Sarfatti, theoretical physicist, has a book (+ co-authors) with a similar title: "Destiny Matrix, 2020". He puts in his book a personal view of a "post-quantum physics", including time travel. But there are other interesting issues in this book. For instance this entertaining and spicy piece:

The Russians Come to North Beach, San Francisco
I was contacted by allegedly agents of Putin’s FSB about three years ago. They said they were from Channel 5 Saint Petersburg, Russia. They took about two hours video of my talking about the topics above (not the Nimitz Tic Tac of course that had not yet been disclosed). I never heard anything back from them until a week before Donald Trump’s 70 year birthday in June 2016 during the campaign. They asked me about what I thought Trump’s attitude was about Putin, Crimea, Ukraine, NATO and Syria. I was surprised because they were not asking me about physics. Michael Savage has mentioned my name on his radio show periodically and Trump was interviewed on his show several times. I suspect that was the connection. Also we see from Chapter 6 I was involved with alleged agents of KGB (Igor Akchurin) when I was working behind the scenes helping to formulate Reagan’s SDI with Lawry Chickering, Cap Weinberg Jr and Marshall Naify. The parting remark of the Russian was a strong hint that Putin himself was following my ideas: 
“Keep the emails coming Jack. They really like you in Moscow.”


P.S. 28-01-25 7:57 Alex Levichev sent me today his new paper:


The authors are indeed very kind to me quoting three of my papers:


P.S. 28-01-25 7:36 Replying to a comment by Saša, here is a copy of one of my old web pages 







P.S. 26-01-25 10:15 Some people have really impressive libraries:
https://x.com/CLT_Exam/status/1883915789121818823
Being a little bit jealous I ordered in the last couple of days four more books:
  1.  A First Course in Noncommutative Rings, T. Y. Lam 
  2. Riemannian Geometry, Manfredo P. do Carmo 
  3. p-adic Numbersn An Introduction, Fernando Q. Gouvêa
  4. Manifolds, Tensor Analysis, and Applications (Applied Mathematical Sciences) (v. 75), Ralph Abraham, Jerrold E. Marsden, Tudor Ratiu
Right now reading: Igor D. Novikov, The River of Time, Cambridge University Press (2001)

80 comments:

  1. Hopefully we won't mix/swap sugar for salt or vice versa in this pudding, as they are both of the same color and similar texture, like we did with wedge and cross products in earlier parts/posts of the series when discussing A as 8-dim real vs. 4-dim complex algebra. FWIW.

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    1. Can you please remind me how we get in (3) (a,f*) and not (a*,f)?

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    2. General Hilbert space scalar product property
      (x,y)* = (y,x)

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    3. Finally i fixed this point for myself:
      (a*b)* = b*a for Cl algebra product
      and
      * = for Hilbert space scalar product

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  2. In fact Laura has just prepared a wonderful pudding, I am eating it right now, and I think there is salt and sugar in it. It tastes very "Southern".

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    1. Bon appetit!
      While still drinking coffee, it didn't happen once that turkish was served salted instead of putting sugar in it. That think was not drinkable at all. :))

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  3. Laura Knight-JadczykJanuary 26, 2025 at 1:55 PM

    You have to put a little bit of salt in sweet things to enhance the sweetness. And actually, it is butterscotch pudding.

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    1. "You have to put a little bit of salt in sweet things"
      And vice versa - a little bit of sugar, for examle, in borshch.
      @Laura, i will highly appreciate a link to a receipt of pudding if you recommend one.
      @Ark, i'm sorry for trying to make a culinary blog out of our serious scientific talk, but just only a little bit of.

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    2. Laura Knight-JadczykJanuary 27, 2025 at 1:16 PM

      I use an old basic blanc mange recipe with variations.

      Vanilla variation: 1 liter of milk, 8 rounded soup spoons of sugar, a cup of corn starch (226 grams), a pinch of salt. Mix together in a sauce pan. Put on medium heat and stir constantly until it thickens and boils gently. Cook for 30 seconds more. Remove from heat and add a tea spoon of vanilla. Put in small dishes in the refrigerator. Serve with a spoon of whipped cream.

      Chocolate variation: everything the same only add 8 soup spoons of cocoa and an extra spoon of sugar.

      Butterscotch variation: put the spoons of sugar in the saucepan with 4 spoons of water. Have the milk and cornstarch mixture ready before starting to caramelize the sugar. Heat the sugar and water stirring regularly (not constantly) until the sugar turns a light golden color. Pour the milk and cornstarch in all at once while stirring rapidly. Continue stirring until the whole mixture thickens and comes to a gentle boil. Cook for 30 seconds more, and remove from heat.

      You can also use half cream and half milk for a very rich version.

      Note: I actually make this using rice milk since I cannot digest milk protein. You can make it with coconut milk too. The version Ark was eating actually had no cow's milk in it.

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    3. Laura, thanks a lot! I will try chocolate version first.

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    4. Laura Knight-JadczykJanuary 27, 2025 at 6:12 PM

      It's a very versatile and basic recipe. You can add butter and egg yolks to make it richer. You can serve the vanilla version with fruit in various forms from fresh to preserves. You can make it sweeter if you like, or less sweet. The chocolate version is my favorite.

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  4. "we realize A as the algebra Mat(2,C), where the scalar product is given by
    = ½Tr(a*b)."

    What * means?

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    1. When "a" is realized as a matrix, the tau involution becomes the Hermitian conjugation of the matrix.

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  5. Please elaborate this fragment:
    ½Tr(λp) = λ/2
    if p projects on 1-dimensional subspace, and it is λ if p projects on 2-dimensional subspace.

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    1. Yes, please, i also wanted to ask for the same!

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    2. Tr(λp) =λTr(p)
      p is Hermitian. For a Hermitian matrix Tr is the sum of its eigenvalues (counting multiple eigenvalues). If p projects on 1-dimensional subspace, its eigenvalues ar 0 and 1. If p projects on 2-dimensional subspace, its eigenvalues are 1 and 1.
      In general the trace of an orthogonal projection operator equals to the dimension of the space on which it projects.
      Is that explanation sufficient?

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    3. "Is that explanation sufficient?"

      Projection in the form p=(1+n was on how-many-dimensional subspace?

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    4. *
      Projection in the form p=(1+n)/2 was on how-many-dimensional subspace?

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    5. "the trace of an orthogonal projection operator equals to the dimension of the space on which it projects" -
      intuitively clear, but i will try to look for a rigorous proof.
      So far, found that
      if A is a matrix whose columns form a basis for a subspace, the orthogonal projection matrix onto the column space of A is: P = A(A^TA)^(−1)AT https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/projection-matrix/

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    6. @Bjab
      Good question. Take p=(1+n)/2. It is an element of the algebra A. It is a projection in the sense p=p*=pp. But as an algebra element it does not yet projects on anything. Only when we have a *-representation of the algebra, it can really project. We were dealing with two different representations: the left regular, when A acts on itself from the left, which is reducible, and the representation using Pauli matrices (or on the left ideal Ap), which is irreducible. In the first case p projects on 2-dimensional subspace of 4-dimensioonal space, in the second case p projects on 1-dimensional subspace of 2-dimensional space.
      When we use p in the context of Tr operation on matrices, it is implicit that we are dealing with the second case.
      I know it can be somewhat confusing.

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    7. "I know it can be somewhat confusing."
      Yes, it is confusing.

      "When we use p in the context of Tr operation on matrices, it is implicit that we are dealing with the second case."
      "and it is λ if p projects on 2-dimensional subspace."

      So what is this projection on 2-dimensional subspace? Identity?


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    8. @Bjab, couldn't you please explain why "this projection on 2-dimensional subspace is identity"? i did not understand...

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    9. @Bjab, ok, you mean
      {1, 0; 0, 0}{a, b; c, d} = {a, b; 0, 0}
      but it does not make much difference. In addition, as far as we use representation in the form of Pauli matrices, this is the "second case", and i am lost completely.

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    10. @Anna
      Try it in an irreducible representation - second column zero.

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    11. @Anna:
      " you mean
      {1, 0; 0, 0}{a, b; c, d} = {a, b; 0, 0}"

      I would rather mean:
      {a, b; c, d}{1, 0; 0, 0} = {a, 0; c, 0}

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    12. when you take first column nonzero (left ideal), you multiply by p from the right.
      when you take first raw nonzero (right ideal), you multiply by p from the left.

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    13. Ok, let it be left ideal and multiplication by p from the right:
      {a, 0; b, 0}{1, 0; 0, 0} = {a, b; 0, 0}
      and what of it? Where is the promised projection from 2d to 1d space?

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    14. when I multiply the matrix
      a 0
      b 0

      by the matrix

      1 0
      0 0

      from the right, I get

      a 0
      b 0

      would rather write this last matrix as (a,0;b,0) - rows separated by ";"

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    15. solve an equation -> solve an equation to find the ideal subspace

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    16. We solve the equation up=u to get the left ideal. Of course if u is a solution, then up=p, so p acts from the right, as the identity on the space of solutions. For n=(0,0,1) the space of solutions, in matrix representation, consists of matrices with zero second column.

      Do you agree with that?

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    17. "...so p acts from the right, as the identity on the space of solutions..."
      Yes, i agree with all that, but i cannot see why p is a projector from 2d to 1d space in this case.

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    18. You are right.
      But now that you have this left ideal (an it is two-dimensional now), and if you act on this left ideal with p from the left (which you can do, since it is a left ideal), it projects two-dimensional space on one-dimensional subspace.

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  6. =1. (Why?)

    Something like that:
    = |def| = 1/2Tr((f½)*f½) = | f½ positive and => self-conjugate(?) => (f½)*f½ = f | = ½Tr(f) = ½Tr(f 1) = f(1) = 1

    Not sure about (f½)* = f½. If f½ is a positive number, it is ok, but does it hold when f½ is a positive matrix?

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    1. There are equivalent definitions of a positive matrix:
      1) Hermitian matrix with non-negative eigenvalues
      2) Matrix of the form m* m, where m is any matrix
      3) Matrix M with the property
      u* M u ≥ 0 for all vectors u, where u* is copmplex transpose of u.
      In our case we use 1) or 2) to ensure that f½ is Hermitian. In fact that is how f½ was defined: as the positive square root of f. So it has the same eigenvectors as f, and its eigenvalues
      are positive square roots of eigenvalues of f.
      Something more needs explanation?

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    2. No, thank you very much, the explanation is exhausting.

      In addition, i see why some symbols disappeared from my previous comment - the readers should not use triangle brackets. Restoring the message in the normal form.
      (f½, f½)=1. (Why?)
      With the (1) and (2) definitions of a positive matrix from the above answer, we have:
      (f½, f½) = |def| = ½Tr((f½)*f½) = | f½ Hermitian (f½)*f½ = f | = ½Tr(f) = ½Tr(f 1) = f(1) = 1

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  7. Thus our ½f is ->
    Thus our f½ is

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  8. "P.S. 26-01-25 16:59 Jack Sarfatti, theoretical physicist, has a book (+ co-authors) with a similar title: "Destiny Matrix, 2020"."

    Have you checked the page 20 where it says:
    "Sarfatti 2011 DARPA-NASA 100 yr Starship -> 2020", while developing some sort of gravity field equation on the whiteboard?
    Seeing Sarfatti working in cooperation with DARPA, whatever has been published in that book immediately has a bit foul smell.

    In addition to strange aura and vibe coming from many of the images in the manuscript, like a bit egotistic and even narcissistic guy...

    And then on page 215 it said, "Sarfatti's most recent paper on retrocausality in quantum physics has been published by the American Institute of Physics AIP Conference Proceedings, 1841, 040003 where he also claims to be able to explain our consciousness as a simple universal natural phenomenon that will allow us to make conscious nano-electronic AI machines."
    He does not seem like a trustworthy guy, in my book at least.

    What's your general comment on him and the content of this manuscript posted on Academia site?

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    1. With high positioned friends he can't be completely trustworthy. Like Elon Musk. But good lies must always contain some truths. Once you know that, you use the Sieve of Eratosthenes. In the past I had some nice discussion with him. I added a P.S. with traces of one such exchange,

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  9. Ark, your furious discussion with RKiehn2352atxaol.com impresses greatly. Now i know that "Lorentz force does not pop out of Lie derivative" and even has a vague idea why it does not.
    So much interesting themes slightly aside of the present Blog-tour. Hope, someday you take these tunes also and arrange them in your special manner: beauty and clarity.
    "mathematics is not merely a cold, mechanical exercise. It is a dance of ideas, a symphony of structures, and a journey of discovery.
    poetry hidden within their formalism" - thank you again for making it accessible for a wider range of admirers.

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  10. @Ark.
    in the post I read (in boldface):
    "Thus our ½f is the standard density matrix of quantum theory."

    ½f or rather f½ ?

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    1. (a*,b) on the left hand side of =. HTML ate the Dirac-type brackets.

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    2. "(a*b). Sorry."
      I don't get it.

      I don't get also the comment at 3:12 PM - please rewrite it not using > but ).

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    3. O> Rewrite:

      Here ½f is correct. In quantum theory density matrix, usually denoted rho, gives expectation value E(a) of an observable "a" through the formula

      E(a) = Tr(A rho)

      In particular it is required that Tr(rho)=1. If we want f(a) to be the expectation value, and we have f(a) = ½Tr(fa) , as in the post, we must take rho = ½f . But this is because we have defined the scalar product (a,b) =½Tr(a*b). Probably it would be better to define (a,b) =Tr(a*b), but it is too late for that. My fault.

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    4. "Probably it would be better to define (a,b) =Tr(a*b), but it is too late for that. My fault."

      Scalar product (a,b) must be equal ½Tr(a*b) (to be consistant) so this was not your fault.

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    5. What is A in:
      E(a) = Tr(A rho)

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  11. Started reading in a bit more serious mode your paper "Theory of Kairons" (2009), and there on its 2nd page it said:
    "The standard, linear and continuous time is associated with the name of the “dancer” time - Chronos, while the god of the discontinuous time, the “jumper”, is called Kairos ^2",
    and in Footnote 2:
    "2 More on this subject in the forthcoming paper “Some aspects of contemporary Kairicity ” by P. Anges and the present author.".

    However, on your list of publications,
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nL_c4CTL1VJGWFGnkbjfI6oDeXzbCXJn/view
    I don't see that paper. Can you please provide a link to it?

    Also, at the end of Ch 1, it said:
    "This paper will be purely mathematical. A possible physical interpretation of the results as well as a generalization to the case of Spinning Kairons, using Clifford algebraic techniques, will be given in a forthcoming paper."
    Was that "forthcoming" paper published, and if so, can you provide a link to it?
    Thanks.

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    1. The collaboration came to a sudden an unfortunate end. Reasons are described in this long thread.

      But I am planning to return to the subject. It is still on my mind.

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    2. "The collaboration came to a sudden and unfortunate end. Reasons are described in this long thread."

      Missed that completely. Thanks for the link to that thread.

      And OK, I'll get from the Kairons paper what I can digest at the moment, and hopefully fill in the gaps in my knowledge base from the references therein. Although you said that Kairons paper needs some simplifying, even for your own taste, symbols therein slowly but steadily are becoming more understandable and intelligible. Step by step and maybe no so far in the future I'd be able to get the gist of it. ;)

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  12. @Ark, may i return to your remark in discussion after Part 39 for a moment?
    You said that "The set of ALL isotropic vectors usually forms a cone, not a vector subspace".
    At the same time, light cone is a realization (not a single one) of the absolute of Minkowski space. An absolute of a space is its ideal, right? Hence it follows that the light cone is an ideal of Minkowski space V, and its endomorphisms (motions, Lorentz transforms) are spinor representations of some algebra built on V. What is this algebra, not accidentally Cl(3)?

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    1. " An absolute of a space is its ideal, right?"
      You would have to define what is "an absolute".
      According to what I understand an "absolute" is an invariant of a group of transformations. Light cone is invariant under Lorentz transformations and dilations. I have never seen a statement that an absolute must be an ideal.
      On the other hand, by definition, a left ideal of Cl(V) is invariant under left action of invertible elements of the Clifford algebra, which is SL(2,C) extended by dilations. So, we may call it an absolute. It is a different absolute.

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    2. By 'absolute' i mean just infinitely distant points of a space:
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B0
      (cannot find an English version of the definition).
      The distance from an ordinary point to any point of light cone is infinity, therefore, the cone is an absolute.
      As regards the concept of ideal, i suppose that multiplication of any element by infinitely large element gives again an infinitely large element, so the place of all infinitely distant elements can be seen as an ideal.
      Of course this is a very simplified consideration, but i'm trying to find approach to the Rozenfeld's idea that 'spinor coordinates are flat generators of absolutes'.

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    3. 'The distance from an ordinary point to any point of light cone is infinity, therefore, the cone is an absolute'

      this argumentation is wrong, i am sorry, but the fact that the light cone is an absolute of Minkowski space is nevertheless true.

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    4. "By 'absolute' i mean just infinitely distant points of a space:"

      This description is within a hyperbolic geometry. We do not have hyperbolic geometry. We have either Euclidean (for space) or Minkowski (for space+time) metric.
      At some point in the future I will, perhaps, discuss the conformal compactification. Then there will be "points at infinity". So far the only point at infinity that appeared here was the north pole on the 2-sphere, which is a infinite distance from any point in the plane.

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    5. Ark, perhaps, i distorted these ideas, but they are not mine, they stem from Vadim Varlamov. Let me translate it as close to the original as possible:
      "(1) The light cone is the realization of the absolute of Minkowski space (but not the only one). Penrose built his two-spinor calculus (the Newman-Penrose formalism) on the light cone".
      (2) "According to Rosenfeld, the coordinates of the spinors are flat generators of absolutes".

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    6. "but the fact that the light cone is an absolute of Minkowski space is nevertheless true."

      For this to be true you would have to precisely define what "absolute" is. First the framework within which it is being defined, then the definition.

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    7. "they stem from Vadim Varlamov. "

      Well, then Varlamov is expressing his thoughts in a poetical way. This is not mathematics. This is his "informal talk".

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    8. Agreed, this is informal talk. For rigorous treatment we have to study that 'aspirin-needed' paper of V.V. about Rozenfeld's geometric concept of spinors.

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  13. Hi.
    I try to follow your conversations. It's not easy ;=))
    In my opinion, and after reading this recent paper (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00006-024-01368-1) : Self-Dual Maxwell Fields from Clifford Analysis (C. J. Robson)
    I'm very happy to understand (because it's very close to my ideas)... This paper is very close from the Kassandroc's paper. Where Clifford-Cauchy-Riemann condition lead to see Maxwell equation and Dirac equation just as a CCR condition on a multivector function on Cl(3, 1). Cl(3,0) will be better, as Kassandrov said...
    But, at the end, Robson say : "It is also worth noting here that Hiley and Callaghan [17,18] have shown that a general multivector in Clifford Algebra can be used to define a quantum wavefunction. This is another angle to explore."
    Is it far from your discussions ?? I hope not ;=)

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    1. Alain, thank you for the paper of Robson. I have a look at it and want to read it attentively.
      It is worth noting that as long ago as in 1935 Yury Rumer showed that, when written in spinoric form, the system of Dirac equations for particle of zero mass transforms into the system of Maxwell's equations, see
      https://ikfia.ysn.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Rumer1936ru.pdf
      pp.72-73 formula (5.21)
      In what follows, Rumer warns that despite of this deep relation between these two equations, there is also a principal difference owing to physical difference between wave fields of photon and electron. If you wish, i can translate a piece of the following text explaining the difference in more detail.

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    2. @Alain There is a very good little book: D.J. Garling, "Clifford Algebras: And Introduction" , CUP 2011. Ch. 9.3 is "Maxwell's equations". Nicely done.

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    3. @Anna Thank you for Rumer. I didn't know this book!

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  14. Thank you very much Anna. I am a little surprised to imagine that a man in 1935 had already seen the connection between Dirac and Maxwell's equations. Is the connection also made with the Clifford-Cauchy-Riemann condition in Cl(3, 0) ?
    Moreover, I'm friend with Olivia Caramello, a very famous italian mathematician. She wrote a book (a big ;=) about topos of Grothendieck. https://www.oliviacaramello.com/Papers/CaramelloTheUnifyingNotionOfTopos.pdf
    I'm in love with Grothendieck ;=)) even if I don't understand his theories ;=)))
    I know (epistemologically) that his mathematical theories will be useful for physicists !
    In the Robson's paper, I can see at the end, some words about De Rham Cohomology, and so on... This is precisely Olivia's specialty.
    In the last lines of Olivia's book you can read : "Another natural subject of study for a possible topos-theoretic interpretation would be that of important dualities in physics such as the AdS/CFT correspondence and mirror symmetry."
    Even without having a deep understanding of this very difficult subject, I know (I am certain) that this is the place to look !
    And I think Robson is pointing in the same direction ;=))
    Hodge self-duality and mirror symmetry are linked. There is a sort of dissymmetry between right/left (odd/even part of Cl(3,0)). An asymmetry which gives the ticking and the arrow of time...
    I know that my words are closer to poetry than to mathematics, and this will not please Ark ;=)), but all my intuition pushes me to search ;=)

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  15. Alain, thanks a lot for your thorough comment. It is very informative.
    I also like Grothendick's brainchild -- K-theory and made several attempts to grasp it.
    Mirror symmetry, Coxeter group, Dynkin diagrams - all such things sparkle my great interest.
    AdS/CFT correspondence is also one of my favorite themes. I think the key point in the world order is the relations between adjacent dimensions, that is, between bulk and boundaries. Here is the key to any change and motion. I am trying to write a text about it and post elsewhere if it will worth that.
    So, Olivia's book gets right into the target.
    Finally, about Rumer: don't sure about Clifford-Cauchy-Riemann condition in Cl(3, 0), but he uses the common Cauchy-Riemann conditions for two functions in C2, which you can see at p.68
    https://ikfia.ysn.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Rumer1936ru.pdf, they are recognizable without translating from Russian.

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    1. Furthemore, Rumer did not only recognized the deep relation between the Dirac and Maxwell equations, but also pointed to their difference and analyzed its reasons.
      As a metter of fact, values u,v (in Dirac equation) transform as spinors by D(1,0) and D(0,1) patterns, while the constructed from them values p,q (in Maxwell equation) transform as spin-tensors by D(2,0) and D(0,2).
      This mathematical difference reflects deep physical difference between field of matter and electromagnetic field. I will not retell all the considerations but, in short, the idea is that the electron charge is invariant with respect to changing a reference frame, whereas the photon energy is not.

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    2. Thanks. I need to read and understand this book. Fortunately it is only 104 pages, even though densely written.

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    3. So glad you're interested. The book was written still hot on the heels of Dirac's original works. And it is not dense, just Yury Borisovich did not miss anything, presented calculations in all details, as was normal at that time, especially when intended for students.

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  16. Just a small post to translate a short email I sent to a friend (in french). I'm talking of you ;=))


    My research is progressing well. Thanks to the small informal group I participate in, I find new sources of inspiration and clues every day that "demonstrate" the truth of my "intuition"!

    Intuition that can be summarized as follows: "The 3D structure of our Universe reveals an algebraic structure called Cl(3, 0) (Clifford algebra on R^3 and initial metric (+++) 8 degrees of freedom.

    By forcing the 8D structure to be "continuous" (holomorphic) (by what is called the Clifford-Cauchy-Riemann condition), we reveal the equations of Maxwell (Classical light Mechanics/wave) and those of Dirac (Quantum Mechanics for fermionic matter).

    It's like magic ! ;=) but it works. I have several papers that attest to it.

    And then, many things follow from it: the emergence of TIME and therefore of space-time, charged particles, and everything else, etc.

    But above all: We observe that this algebraic structure can be identified with the "structure of the psyche" or even with the "universal door de Toffoli" which equips quantum computers.

    Space-time (8D) is neither more nor less than a vast quantum computer.

    The brain is then only an interface (a transponder) between our "apparent" world (fermionic 4D of matter) and an "invisible" world (bosonic 4D of quantum fields).

    The human mind is then itself similar to a kind of quantum computer, emitting and receiving "information" from a single Universal quantum field.
    In doing so, this global and unifying approach comes closer to the fundamental spiritual views of most of the great esoteric Traditions :
    The Universe is ONE and indivisible. The human being, immersed in this quantum bath, is an emanation of it. He thereby inherits, in his interiority, the initial symmetrical structural properties.

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    1. "Thanks to the small informal group I participate in, I find new sources of inspiration"
      And so do i !

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    2. @Anna I am also happy that this blog inspires you. This is the aim of these informal and free conversations. Thanks ARK ;=)

      My comment is a bit long for the Blog. You can find it here : http://rencontres-science-conscience.com/Comments/Comment_2025_02_01.txt

      Have a good day ;=)

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    3. @Alain, i 've read you answer, thank you for showing what is wrong in my argumentation. It is definitely the way i am expressing ideas. By duality of our thinking i meant not purely the dichotomy "yes-no" but all the spectrum between the two opposites. The idea was that this spectrum is isomorphic to R1; in this sense, our conscious thinking is 1-dimensional (in contrast to subconscious, which is the source of poetry but is also important in mathematics). If we agree that mathematics is the top of human conscious knowledge, let's look at its structure. As Ark says, definition-lemma-theorem and, i would add, the proof. It is a chain, a graph, if you wish, i.e., a 1-dim construction where a reason gives rise to a consequence. Another argument for the 1d character of our scientific cognition is that any possible measurement is finally reduced to reading an indication of 1d scale. "The weather is good" is poetry, the science is: "the temperature is 25C, the humidity is 30%, the wind velocity is..." - set of real numbers. It is probably the main source of difficulties with QM interpretation.

      The speech of Groethendick was rather unexpected, but i think many of my friends-scientists would hear resonances with their own feelings there. Now i better understand his sudden disapperance from mathematical Olymp in 70s.

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    4. @Anna You're right. I'm not sure that the spectrum is isomorphic to R1. It would be rather close to N (the integers).
      For the dichotomy (irreducible), there are always two ideas that oppose each other (at least) yin and yang, high and low, true or false, and a whole (discrete) spectrum of values ​​can be intercalated between the two extremes. Each value becomes relative to its neighbors. R1 is not a good set. N or Q seem better to me, especially for doing probabilities (a probability must be an integer1/integer2 ratio and cannot be a real number R1).
      With category theory, we have moved into graphs. "definition-lemma-theorem" is a path (a chain) from one idea to another, but there are probably several paths between these two points.
      I believe that "constructivist" mathematics is the one we must take to do quantum mechanics. We must start from very low, forget R and C, for the moment.
      The logic will be intuitionist.

      As for Grothendieck's speech in CERN, it is the founder of the new paradigm that is emerging. Here, in France, there are more and more radio programs (France Culture) on this genius of mathematics. Several of his books have been published. This is a very good sign for him to rise to the Olympus of mathematics! His true place ;=)
      Grothendieck was "russian" from Ukrainia and I'm beginning to believe that Russian mathematics is very advanced... ;=)
      I like very much Laurent Lafforgue (friend with Olivia Caramello). He got his fields medal with Vladimir Aleksandrovitch Voïevodski (one more from Moscow). ;=)))
      This guy is not bad :=))) Maxime Lvovitch Kontsevitch ... One more who is involved in Grothendieck's mathematics.
      You can be very proud of your math school ! (I think you are Russian !?)

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  17. @Alain, ok, you convinced me to look at the Generalized Cauchy-Riemann conditions and learn how do they reveal the Dirac and Maxwell equations.
    Your message contains so many original ideas worth to think over. By now I can just make a few comments.
    Since the concept of action is the cornerstone of modern physics and is measured in the same units as the Planck constant h, it is natural to consider the quanta of action as fundamental bricks. Odd and even grading also seems reasonable. It reminded me of Thomas Goernitz theory of AQI - abstract quantum information, perhaps, you know. I like his idea that one AQI-bit has no location, it is extended over the Universe, while the larger the number of AQIs comprising an object - the more information it contains and the more complex it is.
    My intuition agrees with yours in that our observable 3d world is a boudary of some 4d world, and i am glad that at last i met a like-minded person in this respect. In my view, fundamental character of speed 'c' suggests that our 3d world of massive substance can be seen as an edge or boundary of some more fundamental (quantum) 4d world; the energy flow that is present at this THRESHOLD of DIMENSION we perceive as light.
    Finally, i agree that duality is omnipresent in our world. Although recently a doubt appeared -- probably it is only our dualistic way of thinking... I mean the Hegel's dialectics, our binary logics, 0-1, white-black, function and its derivative, tangent and cotangent spaces, good and evil, all those syzygies of our mind. They are mostly a feature of our mind, not of nature itself. Of course, there is a consolation: we are ourselves a part of nature and reflect its order.

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