A few days ago, my neighbor—a passionate enthusiast of Clifford and other algebras—asked me: why do I use Cl(V) instead of Cl(3) like most others? This is a fair question, and my answer lies in a subtle but significant distinction. I am not entirely sure what people mean when they refer to Cl(3). Sometimes, they mean the Clifford algebra of R3, but our Cl(V) is not the same as that.
So, what exactly distinguishes V from R3? In R3 there exists a canonical, distinguished basis consisting of the vectors (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), and (0, 0, 1). This basis is intrinsic to R3 and is the same for everyone. However, V, as we consider it, has no such distinguished basis. If we were to choose a basis for V, then V could indeed be identified with R3, but this identification depends entirely on the choice of basis. This dependency makes a world of difference, especially if we think of V as a model for physical space.
When we observe our physical space, do we see a distinguished basis? Not at all. One observer might adopt one basis, while another might choose a completely different one. In this sense, the basis is observer-dependent, and this observer dependence plays a crucial role in quantum theory. While in relativity—both special and general—we often strive to separate observer-dependent phenomena from observer-independent (or coordinate-independent, as in general relativity) quantities, quantum theory forces us to grapple directly with this observer dependence.
Therefore, I could use Cl(3) in my notation, and perhaps I should, provided we understand exactly what I mean by Cl(3). However, this might not align precisely with what others mean by the same term. Although the difference is often non-essential, it is critical to remember the freedom of choosing a basis. This subtle detail will soon become very important.
Introducing Cl(V)
Let’s delve into this intriguing construct, Cl(V). Since today is Sunday, we can afford to speak more about generalities and less about technicalities. Of course, technicalities matter—they give us the "real taste" of the tool we’re dealing with. After all, Cl(V) is a mathematical tool. It’s not a tangible object that burns your fingers when you touch it, yet it possesses a certain depth and elegance.
So far, our focus has been on uncovering the hidden structure within Cl(V). Through it, we’ve encountered rotations, translations, Lorentz boosts, space and time, and even electromagnetic field vectors E and B. All of these concepts lie embedded within Cl(V), waiting to be revealed by a proper lens. However, the ultimate goal of this series has been to understand spinors, and so far, they have remained elusive. Spinors, as you might know, originate from quantum theory—a topic we’ve yet to discuss in depth.
Interestingly, spinors are also valuable in classical relativity. They provide insights into certain reformulations of general relativity. Whether this utility is merely coincidental or indicative of something deeper remains an open question.
A Quantum Perspective on Cl(V)
Now, let’s start examining Cl(V) from a quantum perspective. The first thing to note is that Cl(V) is an algebra. This should immediately set off a mental alarm: quantum theory is fundamentally algebraic—at least in its operator formulation. (This stands in contrast to the wave mechanics picture championed by Schrödinger and de Broglie.) So, for now, let’s zero in on this algebraic aspect of Cl(V).
Observer Independence and Orientation
Before moving further, there’s another small but crucial detail worth highlighting. Earlier, I emphasized that our space has no preferred basis or direction. However, there is substantial evidence suggesting that it does have a preferred orientation—or “handedness,” if you prefer that term. This preference manifests in biological systems, in parity violation at the micro-level (and possibly at the scale of spiral galaxies, though proving this is more challenging). It also appears in the asymmetry between matter and antimatter in the observable universe.
For this reason, I equip V, our model of space, with a preferred orientation. This choice has significant algebraic consequences: Cl(V) acquires a natural complex structure when we identify e1e2e3 with the imaginary unit "i". Importantly, this identification is basis-independent as long as we restrict ourselves to bases with the same orientation. Thus, while Cl(V) is fundamentally a real algebra, it gains a natural complex structure. Recognizing this, we also see that Cl(V) becomes isomorphic to the algebra of complex quaternions. A fascinating realization, indeed!
The Road Ahead
This interplay between algebra and complex structure unmistakably hints at quantum mechanics. In the posts to come, we will dig deeper into this connection, exploring how Cl(V) serves as a bridge between the abstract mathematical framework of Clifford algebras and the physical principles of quantum theory.
This basis is intrinsic to and is the same for everyone. ->
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Fixed. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteCl(V) as complex quaternions seems related to the SU(4,4) you mentioned a while back. It also makes that Sanchez idea of time as a trivector seem a little premature since the 8-dim signature could have some symmetry breaking changes before our 4-dim one shows up and have more changes after that even like the degenerate metric you've mentioned.
ReplyDeleteA small remark on the assignment of e123 to "i". In doing this we introduce a new quality, which takes us beyond the scope of the initial system. Geometrically, it is like closing a 1d line by identifying its ends at the infinity, which gives us a circle of an infinite radius. This circle lives already on a 2d plane. An additional dimension emerges by itself! The same occurs when we close a 2d plane by complementing it with a single point at infinity, thus, turning the 2d plane into a sphere. Sphere lives in 3d space, so we again obtain an additional dimension. Such 'staircases' enabling transitions between spaces of adjacent dimensions seem very important to me, but i don't know precisely why. Presumably, they should be related somehow to spinors as well.
ReplyDeleteAnd spinors will be coming now, when we start to dig even deeper into the structure. It surprised me, as it came not the way I originally imagined. Object that we think we know quite well, sometimes show new faces.
DeleteCorrection: Objects
DeleteSpinors are the most mysterious objects that i ever encountered. They conceal still many surprises, perhaps, including the main stumbling block of our cognition - the conflict between continuous and discrete.
DeleteAccording to L. Smolin, surprises (in a particular sense, which he throuroghly explains) are the main reason and necessary impetus for progress of all living beings, and probably, the Life itself. Some ultimate interpretators of Smolin's ideas consider that this ability of living creatures to deal with surprises can be traced back to the indeterministic and weird phenomena of quantum mechanics.
But there is also another possibility: thet the weird phenomena of quantum mechanics seem to us as "weird" because we are living creatures constructed this way and not the other way. Then there arises the question: why are we so constructed?
DeleteEverything is deterministic.
DeletePhenomena of the behavior of the universe seem to be weird because the physicists' ideas (quantum mechanics, relativity) are distorted.
Some time ago, rotation of the Earth around the Sun also seemed weird. Our knowledge evolves and the notion of 'weird' also changes. My friend-neuroscientist argues that if we were taught from our childhood in the QM spirit, we felt ourselves much more comfortably with it. In nature, there are no separate objects with clear-сut boundaries; future can affect present; we always have several possibilities but get only one of them realized. Quite normal.
DeleteAs regards 'why we are so constructed', it is pure philosophy, to my taste. (1) We have to be constructed somehow, this way is one of the possible variants, and not a single one. And (2): it is the defect of our deterministic way of thinking that we must find a reason for everything. This is what i call 1-dim way of (rational) thinking, by building linear chains of reasons and consequences; while in nature we rather have entangled clews as a typical pattern.
That is quite possible. But then it is also plausible that such a situation is created on purpose by those who want to use "better physics" for their own purpose - to manipulate humanity and to keep being "in power". I would not lightly dismiss such a hypothesis, as it is based on pure logic. Can you dismiss it with logic?
DeleteWell, absolute determinism also seems to negate the existence of free will, which yet seems to exists in one form or another.
Delete"As regards 'why we are so constructed', it is pure philosophy"
DeleteEvery question we ask can be classified as "pure philosophy". For me it is "pure curiosity". Some people ask some questions, some don't. It is their choice.
"It is the defect of our deterministic way of thinking that we must find a reason for everything."
That is how science develops. By searching for reasons in everything. When we stop searching for reasons, we are becoming much like animals. We better search for reasons, and search for reasons we are searching for reasons. Then we can learn something new, and understand better ourselves, other people, and the world around us.
@Saša
Delete"Determinism" or "indeterminism" that are badly defined concepts. We think that we know what they mean, but we really do not know./ You will easily find loopholes when trying to analyze critically their definitions. Of course quantum systems "look" like being "indeterministic". But are they? Classical systems (some of them) look like deterministic. But are they? Are we sure? And which are "quantum" and which "classical"?
@Anna:
Delete"future can affect present"
Oh, that is a weird thinking.
@Bjab
DeleteNot THAT weird:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%E2%80%93Feynman_absorber_theory
Well, you might be right on that one. Indeterminism could be just a reflection of our inability to accurately determine or predict the behavior of a given system under known circumstances. It might easily rise from our ignorance or being wrongly informed.
DeleteThe comment about determinism contradicting existence of free will, presumed the meaning for determinism as fatalism, i.e. that everything is ultimately determined even so concerning the consciousness. Maybe a leep a bit to large from ordinary physical systems Bjab had probably referred to in his/her comment.
@Ark:
Delete"Not THAT weird"
The theory of time symmetry has nothing to do with the true sequence of dependent events.
If something moves up IT doesn't move down.
"If something moves up IT doesn't move down."
DeleteFirst of all, the concepts "up" and "down" are relative. So something can move up relative to something and it can move doen relative to something else. The theory of time symmetry may have something to do with sequences of "dependent" events. The key is the definition of "dependent events". As long as it is an undefined concept - all things are possible. And when you try define it, you easily trap yourself into a logical loop.
'Can you dismiss it with logic?' Why do you think we should dismiss this unpleasant scenario? Humans have always been struggling for power, by all possible means, of which science is the most effective one. I am not an adherent of the conspiracy theory (if you mean this), but i also cannot dismiss this version by logic, i can only believe in the better world. Besides, the fact that we are confident in things which we cannot prove logically is another demonstration of the limits of rational thinking.
Delete"i can only believe in the better world."
DeleteMy own attitude i similar, but little more developed:
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and take whatever comes your way."
Thou simply "take" is not the right word here. "Deal with" would be better.
Delete@Ark:
Delete"First of all, the concepts "up" and "down" are relative."
Is it necessary to explain that we are not changing the frame of reference here?
There is nothing to do with relativity. If something (energy) moves (propagetes) in one direction it doesn't move in the other direction.
You assume here that "energy" is "something". But "energy" is not a "something". It is a "concept". And "moving" is another concept. While "something" is an "undefined concept".
DeleteWe always work within certain models. When we change a model, our whole perspective may change as well.
@Ark:
Delete"When we change a model, our whole perspective may change as well."
I don't agree.
There are things. If someone states that there are not he is ill.
@Bjab
DeleteThat seems like deflecting and character shooting.
Which word or concept in your next to last comment represents an actual "thing"?
Energy, movement and direction are not, maybe "something" but as Ark said that's not really defined what it actually represents. And surely time is not a "thing" also.
"There are things. "
DeleteI agree, that is a good attitude. And I never said that there are no "things". Did I ever say so?
@Bjab
DeleteBut we have deflected from the original theme: "Future can affect present". There are solutions of Einstein' s field equations with time loops. You will probably dismiss these solutions as "unphysical". But that will be your private decision. You do not have any convincing reason to dismiss them. You can only say: at this time majority of physicists consider them unphysical. Why? Because, they argue, future can not affect present. Why? Because this is unphysical. That's the argument.
@Ark
DeleteWhen a pendulum returns to it initial state someone could say the time had a loop.
I don't.
In a frictionless model pendulum can indeed return to the initial state. In a more realistic model pendulum never returns to the initial model. You see, you cannot refrain from using models. Change your model and your perspective may also change in an essential way. The same with future influencing past. In one model it is impossible. In another model it may be possible. Which model is more realistic? It depends of what you call "realistic". One model may be more realistic in one situation, another model in will be more realistic in another situation.
DeleteReturning to the original question: can our future influence us? You say "never". I say: how do you know that "never". What about "sometimes, in some ways"? How can you be sure that it is not possible? That it does not fit the current paradigm? So what?
"Change your model and your perspective may also change in an essential way."
DeleteOutcomes from the models must not change in an essential way.
@Bjab What I see is that your last statement disagrees with the real state of affairs in an essential way. But that is just how I see it. Not everybody sees the world the same way, and that is good, I think.
DeleteThe change from the Ptolemaic to the Copernican model does not change the fact that in Warsaw the sun rises in the east. That IS the real state of affairs.
DeleteWell, it did change that erroneous claim, as the sun does not rise nor does it set in fact anymore after Copernicus. If the Earth was to be hit by a celestial body which would screw its rotational axis, the direction of the East would be changed as one of its definition is related to apparent sun rising. So it's not really a fact, but a relationship, and when your model of reality changes, perspective usually naturally follows that lead.
Delete@Bjab
DeleteJust to be clear, I'm not presuading you to anything, you can and will believe whatever you want. What I do is point out inconsistencies in your claims based on simply logical grounds. Apologies if by doing so I might have hurt your feelings.
Saša:
Delete"Well, it did change that erroneous claim, as the sun does not rise nor does it set in fact anymore after Copernicus."
Sorry, I don't understand what you were trying to say.
That the sun in fact after Copernican shift does not move (more or less) on the sky, but Earth does rotate/spin about itself making everything else apparently moving, i.e. rising and setting.
DeleteChange of perspective with that shift made people aware that if something was to change the apparent sun's movement on the sky, it essentially came from distortions of the Earth's rotation and possibly orbit.
Delete@Saša:
Delete"That the sun in fact after Copernican shift does not move (more or less) on the sky"
Have you ever watched the sun rise? Do you maintain that the sun did not move then?
:)))
DeleteYup, I did, and I do.
But that's just me with possibly a bit weird current perspective for the general people's taste.
@Saša:
Delete"Yup, I did, and I do."
So you claim that when the sun rose it did not move.
This is weird.
Simply, change of perspective.
DeleteWe obviously have different ones and, as already stated, mine can and does sometimes appear a bit weird to people around.
@Saša
DeleteDo not say out loud that the sun does not move near sundials, because they may rebel and stop working.
Will be careful to only mumble such a thing to myself below the hearing level on a cloudy sunless day. Hope you won't tell them in my stead though. ;)
DeleteOups, it seems Archimedes some 22 centuries ago already told them that Aristarchus claimed the same thing.
Delete"His hypotheses are that the fixed stars and the sun remain unmoved, that the earth revolves about the sun on the circumference of a circle, the sun lying in the middle of the orbit, ..."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
@all Here is the classical version of the motto: https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/7922309-Matthew-Henry-Quote-Hope-for-the-best-get-ready-for-the-worst-and.jpg "...and enjoy communication", I would add :)
ReplyDeleteArk, thanks for recalling the Feyman absorber. I like this ingenious construction. As regards the affect of future on the present, psychologists mean much more simple thing -- our intentions. For example, when someone intends to built a house, he first should imagine the house. This future house stimulates him to get up and start building. We imagine our future and this influences our present behaviour. In this sense, future acts on the present. Imaging is like memory of the future. And this is an immanent feature of conscious life.
ReplyDelete@Anna:
ReplyDelete"Imaging is like memory of the future."
No, it is not. Imagery is the compilation of the past experiences.
Well, if that was true then hardly anything new would have ever been built. By the way, I think Anna meant "imagination" and "imagining".
Delete*Imagery -> Imagining
DeleteSasha, thank you, this is a good argument "then hardly anything new would have ever been built". The influence of future on the present in that psychological sense is a bit metaphorical but there is something nontrivial to think about.
DeleteI can agree with Smolin that dealing with 'surprises' provides progress of all living beings, but the intentional creation of news is a special feature of conscious life.
Anna:
Delete"Sasha, thank you, this is a good argument "then hardly anything new would have ever been built""
I think that this is bad argument because it is not true.
If we take two pieces of lego bricks and we know the simple rules of joining them we can construct several new configurations.
Sure. But to construct new configurations we need to be either creative or be appropriately programmed by some appropriately programmed "programmer". Which of these two option is you favorite one?
DeleteSome programs are hardware (e.g., tit sucking) and some programs are software/learning (e.g. hot burns).
Delete@Bjab And some human being is needed to decide (or to program AI to take this decision) that something is a "program". So, which of the two options that I have proposed you choose? Are you using your creativity, or you just run a program (whatever kind of a program it happens to be)?
Delete@Ark
DeleteCreativity is a badly defined concept. We think that we know what it means, but we really do not know.
So is there the distinction between creativity and a running program?
We have to deal with badly defined concepts on a daily basis. No escape from this fact of life. But I can rephrase my question: are you not creative at all? Never? Hard to believe! Are you just running a program? Always? I do not think so.
DeleteI may be convinced that I am creative, but that may just be an illusion (as everything is determined).
Delete"everything is determined"
DeleteAnd what is the basis of your assertion? How do you justify it? Can you explain where it comes from?
This is a consistent hypothesis, increasingly confirmed by life experience.
DeleteThat is much better. Thank you.
Delete@Bjab 'If we take two pieces of lego bricks and we know the simple rules of joining them we can construct several new configurations'. This is the favourite example of Smolin! When you join two Lego pieces you create NEW STATES in configuration space, thus, changing the system itself, as well as its possible motions and development. In inanimate physical world, the configuration space is always fixed. An expansion of the configuration space indicates that the system is alive. Creation of new states provides a burst-like growth of variety, which is just what we observe in biological world.
DeleteB theory of time makes entanglement in time creative information from the future fits well with physics and fits with things like relativity and branes and synchronicity and channeling. The conformal group and complex spacetime fit with this too.
ReplyDeleteBranching in this picture leads to free will but it can't be random to have some freedom and so you would need some kind of consciousness controlled Zeno/anti-Zeno effect pruning of the branching.